Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:08:31 07/14/98
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On July 14, 1998 at 19:46:35, Shaun Graham wrote: >On July 14, 1998 at 10:43:27, Don Dailey wrote: > >>On July 13, 1998 at 11:57:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On July 13, 1998 at 10:30:31, Shaun Graham wrote: >>> >>>>PS #2! :) >>>> >>>>You don't have to defeat GM's to qaulify for the title, you simply have to >>>>perform at a certain level in events of a certain category. In swiss system >>>>tournaments fritz could get paired against almost all 2300-2400 opponents, >>>>defeat them and have a performance well over 2500 ELO. This isn't even taking >>>>into consideration, the 1 out of 4 tourneys where fritz would defeat someone of >>>>the calliber of GM Kotronias. >>> >>> >>>Sorry, but this is mistaken. You have to play in a tournament of a known >>>"category" and produce a result >= X where X varies based on the category >>>of the tournament. And it *guarantees* that you are going to have to play >>>and beat GM's to get the required 3 GM norms... Or you are going to have to >>>roll over a *bunch* of IM players which is just as good. >> >>Hi Shaun, >> >>I think Bob is more correct on this one. The problem is that if you >>continue to beat up on weaker players, then you are virtually guaranteed >>some pairings with stronger players. I don't think these tournaments >>have very many weaker players anyway. But if you can "roll over" these >>weaker players consistantly, then you probably are playing at grandmaster >>strength. I think it's EXTREMELY unlikely, perhaps impossible to get >>a GM norm without hanging with the Grandmasters. > >Sorry i never said that you wouldn't play any titled players. What i said is >that you could play a number of 2300-2450 players and beat them, this would give >you the necessary performance rating, you might play a GM, doesn't mean you are >going to lose, after all fritz did beat GM Kotronias a game in this match, if >you extrapolated a bit on that data, you could posit that fritz would beat a GM >1 in every 4 tournaments, thus giving rather good possibilities of getting a >norm. Further you have 5 years to acquire the norm, in that time period (less >most likely) you would have achieved those norms. >> >>- Don Does anyone have "FIDE Rules of Chess" lying around? Mine grew legs and walked a few years ago. But I don't believe you can get a GM norm in a tournament with *no* GM players participating. There are other things that go into a tournament's "category", including average rating, but number of players and lowest rating also plays a part. I just don't have the book around any longer, but someone can probably solve this part of the argument...
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