Author: stuart taylor
Date: 07:30:56 04/12/02
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On April 12, 2002 at 09:45:30, Uri Blass wrote: >On April 12, 2002 at 08:50:18, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On April 12, 2002 at 00:38:00, Dana Turnmire wrote: >> >>>On April 12, 2002 at 00:04:48, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On April 11, 2002 at 22:53:23, Terry McCracken wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 11, 2002 at 21:28:52, pavel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 11, 2002 at 20:55:15, Joe Little wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.clubkasparov.com/serve/templates/folders/show.asp?p_docID=20935&p_docLang=EN >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks fot the link, nice reading. >>>>>>Now whom to believe, a strong player who is new in computerchess arena, or a >>>>>>stronger played, who has been there done that? >>>>>> >>>>>>I feel too with Kasparov that Fritz7 is strong, but it is way overhyped. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>pavs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Agreed, and it's been discussed here at some length. >>>>> >>>>>Too bad IBM wouldn't post the "Technical Specifications" of Deep Blue of 97! >>>>> >>>>>It would be like comparing a Tandy/TRS-80 in complexity to what Kramnik will >>>>>play Fritz 7 on. >>>>> >>>>>It gives a new meaning to "Virtual Reality" IMO. >>>>> >>>>>Terry >>>> >>>>It dosen't read exactly the way I intended! >>>> >>>>Comparing an 8-way Box to the _super power_ of Deeper Blue is as silly as >>>>comparing an a Tandy/TRS-80 to a very powerful, modern 8-way Box. >>> >>>Wouldn't a very fast stupid program be at a disadvantage to a much newer and >>>smarter one? From what I have read Deep Blue wasn't that sophisticated when it >>>came to forward pruning and general chess knowledge. >> >>Deeper Blue was _anything_ but a stupid programme, I see you really haven't any >>hard data on the whole Deep Blue project, which goes all the way back to >>Chiptest, which evoloved into Deep Thought, which became the "Manhatten Project" >>of chess playing machines. Deeper Blue was "smarter" than Fritz. >> >>Terry > >I guess that we will never agree about it. > >Do you say it based on analyzing the games kasparov-deeper blue with >Fritz or based on looking on the logfiles? > > >I read these claims but they did not convince me. > >I also doubt if deeper blue really searched 200M >nodes per second. >Maybe this claim was done as a pshychological >war against kasparov and the thing searched >only 20M nodes per second. > >I do not say that it is the case(I do not know) but IBM lost >credibility after they decided not to play with >deeper blue again and I do not assume as obvious every positive >claim that I read about deeper blue. > >Uri They also refused to publicize games or their results which DB played against fritz and others, just before the latest DB Kasparov match. That takes down alot of credibility in my mind S.Taylor
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