Author: Uri Blass
Date: 06:45:30 04/12/02
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On April 12, 2002 at 08:50:18, Terry McCracken wrote: >On April 12, 2002 at 00:38:00, Dana Turnmire wrote: > >>On April 12, 2002 at 00:04:48, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On April 11, 2002 at 22:53:23, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On April 11, 2002 at 21:28:52, pavel wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 11, 2002 at 20:55:15, Joe Little wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>http://www.clubkasparov.com/serve/templates/folders/show.asp?p_docID=20935&p_docLang=EN >>>>> >>>>>Thanks fot the link, nice reading. >>>>>Now whom to believe, a strong player who is new in computerchess arena, or a >>>>>stronger played, who has been there done that? >>>>> >>>>>I feel too with Kasparov that Fritz7 is strong, but it is way overhyped. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>pavs >>>> >>>> >>>>Agreed, and it's been discussed here at some length. >>>> >>>>Too bad IBM wouldn't post the "Technical Specifications" of Deep Blue of 97! >>>> >>>>It would be like comparing a Tandy/TRS-80 in complexity to what Kramnik will >>>>play Fritz 7 on. >>>> >>>>It gives a new meaning to "Virtual Reality" IMO. >>>> >>>>Terry >>> >>>It dosen't read exactly the way I intended! >>> >>>Comparing an 8-way Box to the _super power_ of Deeper Blue is as silly as >>>comparing an a Tandy/TRS-80 to a very powerful, modern 8-way Box. >> >>Wouldn't a very fast stupid program be at a disadvantage to a much newer and >>smarter one? From what I have read Deep Blue wasn't that sophisticated when it >>came to forward pruning and general chess knowledge. > >Deeper Blue was _anything_ but a stupid programme, I see you really haven't any >hard data on the whole Deep Blue project, which goes all the way back to >Chiptest, which evoloved into Deep Thought, which became the "Manhatten Project" >of chess playing machines. Deeper Blue was "smarter" than Fritz. > >Terry I guess that we will never agree about it. Do you say it based on analyzing the games kasparov-deeper blue with Fritz or based on looking on the logfiles? I read these claims but they did not convince me. I also doubt if deeper blue really searched 200M nodes per second. Maybe this claim was done as a pshychological war against kasparov and the thing searched only 20M nodes per second. I do not say that it is the case(I do not know) but IBM lost credibility after they decided not to play with deeper blue again and I do not assume as obvious every positive claim that I read about deeper blue. Uri
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