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Subject: Re: Kasparov Says Kramnick is Wrong That Fritz7 is Stronger then Deepblue

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:45:30 04/12/02

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On April 12, 2002 at 08:50:18, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On April 12, 2002 at 00:38:00, Dana Turnmire wrote:
>
>>On April 12, 2002 at 00:04:48, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>On April 11, 2002 at 22:53:23, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 11, 2002 at 21:28:52, pavel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 11, 2002 at 20:55:15, Joe Little wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.clubkasparov.com/serve/templates/folders/show.asp?p_docID=20935&p_docLang=EN
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks fot the link, nice reading.
>>>>>Now whom to believe, a strong player who is new in computerchess arena, or a
>>>>>stronger played, who has been there done that?
>>>>>
>>>>>I feel too with Kasparov that Fritz7 is strong, but it is way overhyped.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>pavs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Agreed, and it's been discussed here at some length.
>>>>
>>>>Too bad IBM wouldn't post the "Technical Specifications" of Deep Blue of 97!
>>>>
>>>>It would be like comparing a Tandy/TRS-80 in complexity to what Kramnik will
>>>>play Fritz 7 on.
>>>>
>>>>It gives a new meaning to "Virtual Reality" IMO.
>>>>
>>>>Terry
>>>
>>>It dosen't read exactly the way I intended!
>>>
>>>Comparing an 8-way Box to the _super power_ of Deeper Blue is as silly as
>>>comparing an a Tandy/TRS-80 to a very powerful, modern 8-way Box.
>>
>>Wouldn't a very fast stupid program be at a disadvantage to a much newer and
>>smarter one?  From what I have read Deep Blue wasn't that sophisticated when it
>>came to forward pruning and general chess knowledge.
>
>Deeper Blue was _anything_ but a stupid programme, I see you really haven't any
>hard data on the whole Deep Blue project, which goes all the way back to
>Chiptest, which evoloved into Deep Thought, which became the "Manhatten Project"
>of chess playing machines. Deeper Blue was "smarter" than Fritz.
>
>Terry

I guess that we will never agree about it.

Do you say it based on analyzing the games kasparov-deeper blue with
Fritz or based on looking on the logfiles?


I read these claims but they did not convince me.

I also doubt if deeper blue really searched 200M
nodes per second.
Maybe this claim was done as a pshychological
war against kasparov and the thing searched
only 20M nodes per second.

I do not say that it is the case(I do not know) but IBM lost
credibility after they decided not to play with
deeper blue again and I do not assume as obvious every positive
claim that I read about deeper blue.

Uri



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