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Subject: Re: Kasparov Says Kramnick is Wrong That Fritz7 is Stronger then Deepblue

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 09:10:42 04/12/02

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On April 12, 2002 at 09:45:30, Uri Blass wrote:

>On April 12, 2002 at 08:50:18, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On April 12, 2002 at 00:38:00, Dana Turnmire wrote:
>>
>>>On April 12, 2002 at 00:04:48, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 11, 2002 at 22:53:23, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 11, 2002 at 21:28:52, pavel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 11, 2002 at 20:55:15, Joe Little wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.clubkasparov.com/serve/templates/folders/show.asp?p_docID=20935&p_docLang=EN
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks fot the link, nice reading.
>>>>>>Now whom to believe, a strong player who is new in computerchess arena, or a
>>>>>>stronger played, who has been there done that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I feel too with Kasparov that Fritz7 is strong, but it is way overhyped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>pavs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Agreed, and it's been discussed here at some length.
>>>>>
>>>>>Too bad IBM wouldn't post the "Technical Specifications" of Deep Blue of 97!
>>>>>
>>>>>It would be like comparing a Tandy/TRS-80 in complexity to what Kramnik will
>>>>>play Fritz 7 on.
>>>>>
>>>>>It gives a new meaning to "Virtual Reality" IMO.
>>>>>
>>>>>Terry
>>>>
>>>>It dosen't read exactly the way I intended!
>>>>
>>>>Comparing an 8-way Box to the _super power_ of Deeper Blue is as silly as
>>>>comparing an a Tandy/TRS-80 to a very powerful, modern 8-way Box.
>>>
>>>Wouldn't a very fast stupid program be at a disadvantage to a much newer and
>>>smarter one?  From what I have read Deep Blue wasn't that sophisticated when it
>>>came to forward pruning and general chess knowledge.
>>
>>Deeper Blue was _anything_ but a stupid programme, I see you really haven't any
>>hard data on the whole Deep Blue project, which goes all the way back to
>>Chiptest, which evoloved into Deep Thought, which became the "Manhatten Project"
>>of chess playing machines. Deeper Blue was "smarter" than Fritz.
>>
>>Terry
>
>I guess that we will never agree about it.
>
>Do you say it based on analyzing the games kasparov-deeper blue with
>Fritz or based on looking on the logfiles?
>
>
>I read these claims but they did not convince me.
>
>I also doubt if deeper blue really searched 200M
>nodes per second.
>Maybe this claim was done as a pshychological
>war against kasparov and the thing searched
>only 20M nodes per second.
>
>I do not say that it is the case(I do not know) but IBM lost
>credibility after they decided not to play with
>deeper blue again and I do not assume as obvious every positive
>claim that I read about deeper blue.
>
>Uri

Actually URI, I doubt you really exist!:o)

Terry



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