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Subject: Re: what is the level of computer programs in correspondence chess?

Author: Mark Young

Date: 20:57:26 07/17/98

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On July 17, 1998 at 20:27:55, Don Dailey wrote:

>On July 17, 1998 at 19:48:20, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On July 16, 1998 at 22:21:28, Joe McCarron wrote:
>>
>>>On July 15, 1998 at 11:27:58, blass uri wrote:
>>>
>>>>do computer programs play in correspondence chess against humans
>>>>and if yes I have 2 questions:
>>>>1)what is the international rating?
>>>>2)do their opponents know they play against a computer?
>>>>
>>>>I am sure computers have no chance against good players
>>>>but they are many correspondence players who do not use a computer
>>>>because they feel it is unethical.
>>>>
>>>>I know that in many correspondence games
>>>>weak players do tactical mistakes because they do not use a computer.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>I once read that humans have the best chance against computers at roughly over
>>>the board tournament time controls.  But I would also be interested in finding
>>>out how computers do in coorespondance as I would also think humans do better.
>>
>>
>>Computers get crushed pretty badly playing strong players at correspondence
>>chess. If I remember right IM Mike Valvo played (DT) in a 2 game match at
>>correspondece chess. Mike crushed it even though DT was thinking many hours per
>>move, and hitting 30 plies in its search. I remember reading how shocked the
>>programmers were at how badly the program lost. Even if Deep Blue was playing I
>>think the results would have been the same. This shows how much more room there
>>is left to improve programs.
>
>This illustrates why I think not only computers but humans have a
>long way to go, or why they have a lot of improvement left.  I think
>correspondence is a whole new level of chess, something of much
>greater quality than 40/2.  I would be willing to bet that there are
>several hundred points of improvement left before you could say it's
>not possible to play any better.
>
>
>- Don

Don do you remember this match? I have not been able to find the games. If you
have the games please post them. I can not find them. Im pretty sure it was IM
Mike valvo who played DT.



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