Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 06:59:57 07/21/98
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On July 21, 1998 at 04:23:26, Mark Young wrote: >On July 20, 1998 at 21:14:51, Don Dailey wrote: > >>On July 20, 1998 at 17:43:16, blass uri wrote: >> >>> >>>On July 20, 1998 at 17:26:09, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>In my humble opinion, the strongest micro is within 100 rating >>>>>points of the weak grandmaster level so I'll say that it's no >>>>>weaker than 2400 ELO rating points. >>>> >>>>That makes it easy, because that is my upper bound. So we have no >>>>further negotiation here. :) >>> >>>I think the strongest micro is 2500 ELO >>>The performance of Junior against humans is close to 2500 >>> >>>Uri >> >>I tend to agree. I give 2400 as a LOWER bound for this very reason. >>This means I am allowing fairly significant error on my part and >>also taking into account conditions which might favor the humans, >>such as greater ability to learn your opponent. >> >>- Don > > >2400 rating or better is correct even taking into account skilled players using >strong anti-computer tactics. I think its hard to argue that Micro's are not at >IM status. I don't think that micro's are at GM status yet but it is getting >close. I have found that it takes now at least an IM to use anti-computer >tactics to win against most of the top micros today. And even than half the time >the tactics do not work any more. I think I know the IM that Bob is talking >about IM Commons and yes he does have a nack for betting computers but still the >programs I have played against him have scored many wins. And if my memory is >correct CG5 has a nice plus score against him. I wish more strong players were >like IM Commons he not only likes to play computers at slower time controls, he >likes to tell why he playes certain moves against computers. He has given me >many insights into anti-computer play. He is one of several that include Brian Hartman, Martin Borriss, and there are others. "Tim" on ICC is only a USCF master, yet developed the "trojan horse" into a fearful weapon that will beat most programs at faster time controls. And he has beat many at longer time controls. And when's the last time anyone saw a GM lose even one game to a 2200 player? "hawkeye" is another ICC player that is hell on wheels, beating most programs at 1 0 time controls which seems to be impossible, but which he does with regularity.
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