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Subject: Re: Fritz is a GM

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 06:59:57 07/21/98

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On July 21, 1998 at 04:23:26, Mark Young wrote:

>On July 20, 1998 at 21:14:51, Don Dailey wrote:
>
>>On July 20, 1998 at 17:43:16, blass uri wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On July 20, 1998 at 17:26:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>In my humble opinion, the strongest micro is within 100 rating
>>>>>points of the weak grandmaster level so I'll say that it's no
>>>>>weaker than 2400 ELO rating points.
>>>>
>>>>That makes it easy, because that is my upper bound.  So we have no
>>>>further negotiation here.  :)
>>>
>>>I think the strongest micro is 2500 ELO
>>>The performance of Junior against humans is close to 2500
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>I tend to agree.  I give 2400 as a LOWER bound for this very reason.
>>This means I am allowing fairly significant error on my part and
>>also taking into account conditions which might favor the humans,
>>such as greater ability to learn your opponent.
>>
>>- Don
>
>
>2400 rating or better is correct even taking into account skilled players using
>strong anti-computer tactics. I think its hard to argue that Micro's are not at
>IM status. I don't think that micro's are at GM status yet but it is getting
>close. I have found that it takes now at least an IM to use anti-computer
>tactics to win against most of the top micros today. And even than half the time
>the tactics do not work any more. I think I know the IM that Bob is talking
>about IM Commons and yes he does have a nack for betting computers but still the
>programs I have played against him have scored many wins. And if my memory is
>correct CG5 has a nice plus score against him. I wish more strong players were
>like IM Commons he not only likes to play computers at slower time controls, he
>likes to tell why he playes certain moves against computers. He has given me
>many insights into anti-computer play.


He is one of several that include Brian Hartman, Martin Borriss, and there are
others.  "Tim" on ICC is only a USCF master, yet developed the "trojan horse"
into a fearful weapon that will beat most programs at faster time controls.  And
he has beat many at longer time controls.  And when's the last time anyone saw
a GM lose even one game to a 2200 player?  "hawkeye" is another ICC player that
is hell on wheels, beating most programs at 1 0 time controls which seems to be
impossible, but which he does with regularity.



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