Author: Mark Young
Date: 15:45:05 04/25/02
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On April 25, 2002 at 18:43:11, Roy Eassa wrote: >On April 25, 2002 at 18:40:01, Mark Young wrote: > >>On April 25, 2002 at 18:35:37, Roy Eassa wrote: >> >>>On April 25, 2002 at 18:33:30, Roy Eassa wrote: >>> >>>>On April 25, 2002 at 18:30:34, Mark Young wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 25, 2002 at 18:24:11, Roy Eassa wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 25, 2002 at 18:14:26, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 25, 2002 at 17:54:45, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 25, 2002 at 17:40:43, Mark Young wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>. >>>>>>>>Can you give a winning line for the final position. I would be interested in >>>>>>>>seeing a win since Junior couldn't seem to find one. >>>>>>>>Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>>GM Smirin says the games was lost. GM Smirin offerd his resignation to Shay. >>>>>>>Shay Refused the Resignation and offerd draw. GM Smirin refused to take a draw >>>>>>>in a lost position.....So the game will be replayed. In short DJ won the game, >>>>>>>but for reasons only known to Shay he would not take the win. IMO the win is >>>>>>>valid and he should of taken the win since GM Smirin was in a dead lost >>>>>>>position, the Tech problems happend after the position was dead lost for GM >>>>>>>Smirin. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>It sounds like Shay offered to resign on Junior's behalf due to technical >>>>>>problems, but Smirin refused the resignation. >>>>> >>>>>That is not what GM Smirin said on Kasparov.com....looking at what he said now >>>>>in game window again....GM Smirin says Shay only offerd to count this as a >>>>>draw...Shay never offerd to resign the game...why would he, Junior won. The >>>>>above statement seems a correct account of what GM Smirin said on Kasparov.com. >>>> >>>> >>>>You're right. I wonder why Shay turned down Smirin's offer to resign? >>> >>> >>>Oops, I remember why. Junior had not shown that it knew how to win (although I >>>suspect it would have found the win eventually). >> >>Junior knows how to win this....the game was stopped....so no more moves were >>played. The win is not hard for computers....unless you can show me something I >>did not see. > > >Shay (or somebody in Junior's camp) said that Junior did not show a winning >line, I think. > >Time was somewhat tight. With sufficient time I have no doubt any top program >would find the win. > >On the other hand, some people say if the computer crashes it loses, period. I >do not have so harsh a view. Junior did not crash....GM Smirin was the one not able to make a move. connection problems.
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