Author: martin fierz
Date: 15:37:16 04/29/02
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On April 29, 2002 at 18:17:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 29, 2002 at 17:11:21, martin fierz wrote: > >>On April 29, 2002 at 13:46:34, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 29, 2002 at 13:01:24, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >>> >>>>Please see: >>>> >>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?226863 >>>> >>>>w.b.r. >>>>Otello >>> >>> >>>What does that have to do with the point I made? Smirin was _winning_ in >>>the first three games. He won one and drew the other two due to making >>>mistakes, most likely caused by time pressure in the fairly short time >>>control used... >>> >>>He should have lost against Junior. That would have been three wins, then >>>a loss and then a draw and another win against tiger, out of six games... >>> >>>Smirin was lucky to get to play Junior again rather than losing. But then >>>he was very unlucky to lose two won games and having to settle for draws due >>>to time problems. >>> >>>He is still less "lucky" than the programs, in that regard... >> >>to be fair, the tiger should probably have won the last game instead of lost it >>(with Bc5 instead of Bc3). smirin should have won games 2 and 3. in this >>respect, i think the "luck" is evenly distributed. the junior game will be >>repeated, so there is no point in talking about who is lucky there (smirin >>because he didnt lose a lost position or junior because it gets to repeat a game >>which would be lost by normal computer chess standards - if your program won't >>play on, too bad). >> >>aloha >> martin > > >first, I am not convinced that Bc5 wins and Bc3 loses. > >Second, until talking with Smirin and hearing his comments, it might be >that he simply thought he was winning all the way and the computer simply >didn't understand. > >It is speculation at the moment... who knows what he _really_ was thinking >about? there was a comment about it in another thread: after Bc5, if white exchanges queens he is probably lost. if he sacs the exchange with Rxc5 bc5 Qxc5+, he has precious little to show for it. according to that message, that was smirin's own opinion on the position after Bc5. it doesnt matter if Bc3 is the culprit or not. smirin was clearly worse in this game and managed to swindle the tiger. he was also worse against hiarcs and shredder in two endgames he managed to hold to a draw. after 4 games i would also have said the comps are lucky in this match. after 7, no longer. aloha martin
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