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Subject: Re: Smirin match conclusion?! - neither side was "lucky"

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:41:46 04/29/02

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On April 29, 2002 at 19:35:26, James T. Walker wrote:

>On April 29, 2002 at 18:17:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 29, 2002 at 17:11:21, martin fierz wrote:
>>
>>>On April 29, 2002 at 13:46:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 29, 2002 at 13:01:24, Otello Gnaramori wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Please see:
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?226863
>>>>>
>>>>>w.b.r.
>>>>>Otello
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What does that have to do with the point I made?  Smirin was _winning_ in
>>>>the first three games.  He won one and drew the other two due to making
>>>>mistakes, most likely caused by time pressure in the fairly short time
>>>>control used...
>>>>
>>>>He should have lost against Junior.  That would have been three wins, then
>>>>a loss and then a draw and another win against tiger, out of six games...
>>>>
>>>>Smirin was lucky to get to play Junior again rather than losing.  But then
>>>>he was very unlucky to lose two won games and having to settle for draws due
>>>>to time problems.
>>>>
>>>>He is still less "lucky" than the programs, in that regard...
>>>
>>>to be fair, the tiger should probably have won the last game instead of lost it
>>>(with Bc5 instead of Bc3). smirin should have won games 2 and 3. in this
>>>respect, i think the "luck" is evenly distributed. the junior game will be
>>>repeated, so there is no point in talking about who is lucky there (smirin
>>>because he didnt lose a lost position or junior because it gets to repeat a game
>>>which would be lost by normal computer chess standards - if your program won't
>>>play on, too bad).
>>>
>>>aloha
>>>  martin
>>
>>
>>first, I am not convinced that Bc5 wins and Bc3 loses.
>>
>>Second, until talking with Smirin and hearing his comments, it might be
>>that he simply thought he was winning all the way and the computer simply
>>didn't understand.
>>
>>It is speculation at the moment...  who knows what he _really_ was thinking
>>about?
>
>Didn't Smirin offer to resign the game?  If so that says something about the
>position.  I think he said something about Bc5 g6 if so I believe he is lost.
>I'm not sure about why Junior was "lost" and couldn't find the move or move
>period or whatever.  In any case the game is null and will be replaced by the
>game Wednesday.  So good luck to Smirin.  I have a lot of respect for him after
>his behavior/performance in this match.  Quite different from another GM that
>stole a game from Junior.
>Jim


Wrong game.  You are thinking of smirin vs junior.  We are talking about
smirin vs gambit tiger now...




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