Author: Peter Berger
Date: 10:42:28 05/06/02
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On May 06, 2002 at 13:23:03, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On May 06, 2002 at 06:30:59, stuart taylor wrote: > >>Is Shredder the biggest punisher of mistakes and innacuracies of the opponent? > >i have the feeling. it is very sensible for you making mistakes. >it is not a tactics finder IMO. it also sees positional mistakes of you. >but, it is ONE thing to see them, and another thing to use this for winning. > >i don't think shredder is a big plan maker. >it behaves and remembers me much on genius in this field. > > >>If so, that should make it quite interesting. Is it like an upgrade of genius? > >IMO. yes. in the moment. > > >>You also make Hiarcs sound very tempting. > > >>All independant of who actually wins more. > > >the games with hiarcs, no matter who wins, no matter if the opponent if fritz or >shredder or century or or or or or... > >are the best computerchess i have seen for YEARS by now. > >i am still wondering why this is. > >i can only imagine that mark has worked different way than the others. >or that he has not copied the state of the art stuff the others did, but >done something different. > >whatever. > >never i have seen those games. it reminds me on old times of computerchess, >saitek machines versus novag, or fidelity versus mephisto ! > >wow !!! > >this is nice. and i wonder that nobody recoignized. people post results but >nobody talks about the games or the evaluations. > >why ? > >would be interesting to talk about the different evaluations ! > >if you don't have hiarcs8 yet: buy it. >there is no alternative IMO. That's quite a fine example for the problem judging engine strengths and weaknesses by a few games only I think . I have now seen Hiarcs 8 playing exactly 6 games on my computers so far and the results and also the games themselves were quite miserable IMHO ( it scored 1.5/6 against some of the stronger amateur engines with a 12 % hardware speed advantage in slowish standard games) - if it was some random engine I tried for the first time I probably would have the first impression that it doesn't belong to the absolute amateur top. As I know it is Hiarcs 8 I think it is _very_ likely that it will play much better, more impressive and more successful games very soon - but so far it definitely hasn't at my place. Greetings, Peter
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