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Subject: Re: Company politics - intel c++ for computerchess sucks at K7

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:20:32 05/10/02

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On May 09, 2002 at 22:18:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On May 09, 2002 at 10:21:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 08, 2002 at 23:54:50, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>Sometimes i hate company politics. A superb compiler intel c++
>>>they weakened it for K7. Where 5.0.1 compiler was pretty fast
>>>for the superb K7 processors, the 6.0 compiler is deliberatly
>>>doing bad for K7.
>>
>>
>>I doubt it is "deliberate".  Why would Intel worry about optimizing for
>>the K7 when they don't build them?
>>
>>Wouldn't make any sense at all, IMHO...
>
>because 5.0.1 is faster on k7 than 6.01
>


So what?  I have occasionally done things to Crafty to make it faster on
a pentium, which also makes it slower on _other_ architectures.  But since
I do 99% of my testing on Intel, this is the way things work out.  I could
see lots of places where optimizing for intel would break AMD processor
pipes at times...  The inverse is also true, but since AMD is not writing
a compiler for their chip, they don't have something to make them look
their best...

Which will always hurt them on SPEC of course...





>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>intel c++ 6.0 linux KDE3 MP 1.4Ghz run single cpu
>>>is 2.4% slower than msvc 6.0 sp4+processorpack.
>>>
>>>Please take into account this is WITH profile information.
>>>msvc is already faster without taking advantage of that.
>>>
>>>God, sometimes i hate company politics.
>>>
>>>Last so many years msvc did shit litterary regarding to improve
>>>compiler (at least released nearly nothing). In total from
>>>4.5 to 6.0 sp4 procpack it got faster 3% from which the processor
>>>pack is 2%.
>>>
>>>Intel c++ which is taking use of all kind of new tricks is
>>>actually 8.5% faster on a P3, but 2.4% slower on a K7.
>>>
>>>Sometimes you can dominate because others make major blunders...
>>>...of course intel doesn't sell many compiler versions, so
>>>i understand the math. but sometimes i just hate company politics.
>>>couldn't they make it *equally* fast to the msvc compiler for example?



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