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Subject: Re: Company politics - intel c++ for computerchess sucks at K7

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 06:44:18 05/11/02

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On May 10, 2002 at 23:20:32, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 09, 2002 at 22:18:18, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On May 09, 2002 at 10:21:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 08, 2002 at 23:54:50, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Sometimes i hate company politics. A superb compiler intel c++
>>>>they weakened it for K7. Where 5.0.1 compiler was pretty fast
>>>>for the superb K7 processors, the 6.0 compiler is deliberatly
>>>>doing bad for K7.
>>>
>>>
>>>I doubt it is "deliberate".  Why would Intel worry about optimizing for
>>>the K7 when they don't build them?
>>>
>>>Wouldn't make any sense at all, IMHO...
>>
>>because 5.0.1 is faster on k7 than 6.01
>>
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>So what?  I have occasionally done things to Crafty to make it faster on
>a pentium, which also makes it slower on _other_ architectures.  But since
>I do 99% of my testing on Intel, this is the way things work out.  I could
>see lots of places where optimizing for intel would break AMD processor
>pipes at times...  The inverse is also true, but since AMD is not writing
>a compiler for their chip, they don't have something to make them look
>their best...
>
>Which will always hurt them on SPEC of course...
>

AMD must be busy with their own compiler, otherwise the whole
Hammer chip is a major joke; only alternative could be visual m$ works
on a compiler for it.

From a company viewpoint having your own compiler is smartest as it
can run at any OS.

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>>>>
>>>>intel c++ 6.0 linux KDE3 MP 1.4Ghz run single cpu
>>>>is 2.4% slower than msvc 6.0 sp4+processorpack.
>>>>
>>>>Please take into account this is WITH profile information.
>>>>msvc is already faster without taking advantage of that.
>>>>
>>>>God, sometimes i hate company politics.
>>>>
>>>>Last so many years msvc did shit litterary regarding to improve
>>>>compiler (at least released nearly nothing). In total from
>>>>4.5 to 6.0 sp4 procpack it got faster 3% from which the processor
>>>>pack is 2%.
>>>>
>>>>Intel c++ which is taking use of all kind of new tricks is
>>>>actually 8.5% faster on a P3, but 2.4% slower on a K7.
>>>>
>>>>Sometimes you can dominate because others make major blunders...
>>>>...of course intel doesn't sell many compiler versions, so
>>>>i understand the math. but sometimes i just hate company politics.
>>>>couldn't they make it *equally* fast to the msvc compiler for example?



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