Author: Bertil Eklund
Date: 08:02:21 05/25/02
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On May 25, 2002 at 05:21:24, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>On May 25, 2002 at 04:29:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On May 25, 2002 at 02:11:21, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>
>>>On May 24, 2002 at 18:19:58, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 24, 2002 at 17:27:58, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 24, 2002 at 16:12:25, pavel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 24, 2002 at 15:39:27, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 24, 2002 at 13:34:17, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dear Kurt,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>it is true that he did not play enough games, but I did and I told that the
>>>>>>>Classic version is stronger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"UNFORTUNATELY SSDF FINDS TIME TO TEST SEVERAL TIGER VERSION AND NOT THE WC
>>>>>>>PROGRAM-:((("
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I sincerely did not understood this yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Recently they stated that it is not clear which book is better, but they only
>>>>>>>tested the classic with the slower K2-450.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This to me SOUND ONLY AS AN EXCUSE...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sorry to criticize SSDF, but I cannot lie or tell what I do not think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SSDF can you hear me?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ciao
>>>>>>>Sandro
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Sandro,
>>>>>> According to Stephan Shredder7 (which will come later this year) will
>>>>>>be reasonably stronger over Shredder6, are you testing it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Of course, but the final version is not ready yet. We are still working on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>>If so, whats your first impression?
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, you will see the difference in a few games...
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you understand what I mean?
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe this time we'll be lucky to see it tested in due time by SSDF:-))
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>regards
>>>>>>pavs
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Sandro
>>>>
>>>>When I started testing the Shredder Classic and Shredder C.B. I had no idea
>>>>about who wrote what book and which is stronger. My opinion is now based on my
>>>>results at G/5, G/30, G/60 & G/120 games. I believe your book is better than
>>>>the CB book simply because of the results. If the engines are really identical
>>>>then that is the only logical reason for Shredder 6 Classic to be doing better
>>>>in my test. In fact at the moment (subject to change) Shredder 6 Classic is 4
>>>>Elo points higher than Fritz 7 in my Standard database after only 133 games. I
>>>>still think Fritz 7 will end up on top but Shredder 6 Classic has been a very
>>>>nice surprise.
>>>>Jim
>>>
>>>Hi Jim,
>>>
>>>yes the engine is the same and the only difference between the 2 is the opening
>>>book. I am the author of the book for the classic version.
>>>
>>>Why should have we used my book in all tournaments starting from year 2000 if
>>>not scoring better?
>>>
>>>We won all tournaments we entered except last year WCCC where we got 3rd place,
>>>but first with single processor hardware.
>>>
>>>So, SSDF finds time to test several version of other programs, but not to test
>>>our strongest version. Maybe we could have got 1rst place. So at the end we have
>>>been damaged.
>>>This is a fact!
>>>
>>>I do not like to criticize SSDF because I know they do an important job in this
>>>field and I do appreciate this, but in my opinion THIS IS A SCANDAL!
>>>
>>>Why people do not say anything about this.
>>>Pls. tell SSDF we do not agree with this.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sandro
>>
>>I believe that the ssdf should test only what the programmer asks them to test.
>>If the programmer say nothing and the program is comercial with 2 different book
>>they can use the book that they want.
>
>Well, Stefan did ask to test the UCI version, but there was some delay, so this
>may is not a SSDF fault (to be honest).
>>
>>I do not know if stefan asked the ssdf to test Shredder6 classic on Athlon1200
>>on time(before they start testing).
>
>Later on we did clarify this point, but they went on testing the CB version.
>
>Now they put this QUITE PROVOCATIVE STATEMENT, so I simply could not stay
>silent.
>
>>
>>Uri
>
>Sandro
Hi!
We asked Stefan about his opinion about the settings and so on but he was on
vacation (2 weeks?)
I guess the only new program now is Hiarcs8, so I believe we can test Shredder6
Classic on A1200. I have already played over 1500 games with S6Classic and I
really like both the program and the book. It is already clear to me that it
only have one (big) problem, it is very vulnerable for king-attacks. In example
Gandalf and Rebel are dangerous opposition for Shredder.
Bertil
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