Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 10:22:35 05/25/02
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On May 25, 2002 at 11:02:21, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>On May 25, 2002 at 05:21:24, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>>On May 25, 2002 at 04:29:10, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On May 25, 2002 at 02:11:21, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 24, 2002 at 18:19:58, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 24, 2002 at 17:27:58, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 24, 2002 at 16:12:25, pavel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 24, 2002 at 15:39:27, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On May 24, 2002 at 13:34:17, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dear Kurt,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it is true that he did not play enough games, but I did and I told that the
>>>>>>>>Classic version is stronger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"UNFORTUNATELY SSDF FINDS TIME TO TEST SEVERAL TIGER VERSION AND NOT THE WC
>>>>>>>>PROGRAM-:((("
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I sincerely did not understood this yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Recently they stated that it is not clear which book is better, but they only
>>>>>>>>tested the classic with the slower K2-450.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This to me SOUND ONLY AS AN EXCUSE...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sorry to criticize SSDF, but I cannot lie or tell what I do not think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>SSDF can you hear me?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ciao
>>>>>>>>Sandro
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey Sandro,
>>>>>>> According to Stephan Shredder7 (which will come later this year) will
>>>>>>>be reasonably stronger over Shredder6, are you testing it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Of course, but the final version is not ready yet. We are still working on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If so, whats your first impression?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, you will see the difference in a few games...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you understand what I mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Maybe this time we'll be lucky to see it tested in due time by SSDF:-))
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>regards
>>>>>>>pavs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>Sandro
>>>>>
>>>>>When I started testing the Shredder Classic and Shredder C.B. I had no idea
>>>>>about who wrote what book and which is stronger. My opinion is now based on my
>>>>>results at G/5, G/30, G/60 & G/120 games. I believe your book is better than
>>>>>the CB book simply because of the results. If the engines are really identical
>>>>>then that is the only logical reason for Shredder 6 Classic to be doing better
>>>>>in my test. In fact at the moment (subject to change) Shredder 6 Classic is 4
>>>>>Elo points higher than Fritz 7 in my Standard database after only 133 games. I
>>>>>still think Fritz 7 will end up on top but Shredder 6 Classic has been a very
>>>>>nice surprise.
>>>>>Jim
>>>>
>>>>Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>>yes the engine is the same and the only difference between the 2 is the opening
>>>>book. I am the author of the book for the classic version.
>>>>
>>>>Why should have we used my book in all tournaments starting from year 2000 if
>>>>not scoring better?
>>>>
>>>>We won all tournaments we entered except last year WCCC where we got 3rd place,
>>>>but first with single processor hardware.
>>>>
>>>>So, SSDF finds time to test several version of other programs, but not to test
>>>>our strongest version. Maybe we could have got 1rst place. So at the end we have
>>>>been damaged.
>>>>This is a fact!
>>>>
>>>>I do not like to criticize SSDF because I know they do an important job in this
>>>>field and I do appreciate this, but in my opinion THIS IS A SCANDAL!
>>>>
>>>>Why people do not say anything about this.
>>>>Pls. tell SSDF we do not agree with this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sandro
>>>
>>>I believe that the ssdf should test only what the programmer asks them to test.
>>>If the programmer say nothing and the program is comercial with 2 different book
>>>they can use the book that they want.
>>
>>Well, Stefan did ask to test the UCI version, but there was some delay, so this
>>may is not a SSDF fault (to be honest).
>>>
>>>I do not know if stefan asked the ssdf to test Shredder6 classic on Athlon1200
>>>on time(before they start testing).
>>
>>Later on we did clarify this point, but they went on testing the CB version.
>>
>>Now they put this QUITE PROVOCATIVE STATEMENT, so I simply could not stay
>>silent.
>>
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>Sandro
>
>Hi!
>
>We asked Stefan about his opinion about the settings and so on but he was on
>vacation (2 weeks?)
>
>I guess the only new program now is Hiarcs8, so I believe we can test Shredder6
>Classic on A1200. I have already played over 1500 games with S6Classic and I
>really like both the program and the book. It is already clear to me that it
>only have one (big) problem, it is very vulnerable for king-attacks. In example
>Gandalf and Rebel are dangerous opposition for Shredder.
>
>Bertil
Hi Bertil,
well, in case he does not reply you can ask me. We talk a lot about everything
and I can help you also.
Yes, what you say it is true for this 6.0 and 6.02 versions, but the book can
help to avoid some specific positions and therefor help indirectly.
Ciao
Sandro
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