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Subject: Re: Is anti-GM marketing hype or reality?

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 19:53:08 07/28/98

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>>I think you should re-read the goals of anti-GM, the why's, its birth.

>>In the past at AEGON I have seen Rebel losing against grandmasters
>>without any chance. After such a game it is very frustrating to realize
>>your program didn't have just ONE little chance on counter play.

>>anti-GM is about to deal with this problem. I don't know how good it is
>>as 8 games is not much but in most of the 8 games it was Rebel who
>>took the initiative which pleased me very much as this exactly is one
>>of the goals of anti-GM.

>>- Ed -


>Hi Ed,

>I really hate to be so skeptical but I am.  I have to admit I believe
>this is really more a marketing scheme than anything else, and I hope
>you take no offense, none is intended.   The language you use when
>describing it could be lifted directly onto a glossy advertising
>brochure!  Making the announcement probably guaranteed you many sales.

Hi Don,

The announcement of anti-GM was done long time BEFORE the match. If
anti-GM is only a hype (as you wonder) to make some extra money then
announcing it long time before the match is the most stupid thing a company
can do. What if Rebel would have lost the match with 7-1 or so? Then anti-GM
would have been shot into 1,000 pieces no?

Like you I like to talk about my program.

>Don't think I'm accusing you of making this up,  I believe you are
>doing something and calling it anti-GM.   I even believe things can be
>done in principle.  It's just that I am very skeptical this is having
>much, if any effect on the results.

>I was not surprised by your results against Anand and congratulate
>you.  It was better than I expected but within what I judged to be
>reasonable expectations.  Your program is one of the very best and
>I don't know why everyone else was so surprised unless they don't
>realize how good your program is.   I expected you to do well in
>the fast games and thought a win in the slow games would be an
>excellent results, but the draw is a good results too.

>The problem with anti-GM is that all you did was announce it and
>suddenly every one was congratulating you for such a great
>innovation.  It's not even a new idea by any means.  Anyone could
>have made this announcement without writing a single line of code.
>I have to remain skeptical until a whole lot more evidence comes
>in.  Getting a good results against Anand with an already GREAT
>program does not do it for me.

>Is this going to be a switch we can turn on and off in your next
>program?  Can we do our own tests and analyze the games and moves
>and do direct comparisons so that we can judge for ourselves?
>Will this mode play weaker against other computers or will it
>be just as strong?   Until I can satisfy my curiosity I for
>one will remain a skeptic.   If indeed you are doing wonderful
>things with opponent modeling then I am definitely interested.

In Rebel10 you will have the possibility to turn anti-GM on or off. Next
the option has 3 other levels, ACTIVE, STRONG and SMART. The
setting during the match was SMART in all 8 games and this will be
the default setting in Rebel10.

- Ed -


>- Don



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