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Subject: Re: Is anti-GM marketing hype or reality?

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 03:09:34 07/29/98

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On July 28, 1998 at 22:53:08, Ed Schröder wrote:

>>>I think you should re-read the goals of anti-GM, the why's, its birth.
>
>>>In the past at AEGON I have seen Rebel losing against grandmasters
>>>without any chance. After such a game it is very frustrating to realize
>>>your program didn't have just ONE little chance on counter play.
>
>>>anti-GM is about to deal with this problem. I don't know how good it is
>>>as 8 games is not much but in most of the 8 games it was Rebel who
>>>took the initiative which pleased me very much as this exactly is one
>>>of the goals of anti-GM.
>
>>>- Ed -
>
>
>>Hi Ed,
>
>>I really hate to be so skeptical but I am.  I have to admit I believe
>>this is really more a marketing scheme than anything else, and I hope
>>you take no offense, none is intended.   The language you use when
>>describing it could be lifted directly onto a glossy advertising
>>brochure!  Making the announcement probably guaranteed you many sales.
>
>Hi Don,
>
>The announcement of anti-GM was done long time BEFORE the match. If
>anti-GM is only a hype (as you wonder) to make some extra money then
>announcing it long time before the match is the most stupid thing a company
>can do. What if Rebel would have lost the match with 7-1 or so? Then anti-GM
>would have been shot into 1,000 pieces no?
>
>Like you I like to talk about my program.
>
>>Don't think I'm accusing you of making this up,  I believe you are
>>doing something and calling it anti-GM.   I even believe things can be
>>done in principle.  It's just that I am very skeptical this is having
>>much, if any effect on the results.
>
>>I was not surprised by your results against Anand and congratulate
>>you.  It was better than I expected but within what I judged to be
>>reasonable expectations.  Your program is one of the very best and
>>I don't know why everyone else was so surprised unless they don't
>>realize how good your program is.   I expected you to do well in
>>the fast games and thought a win in the slow games would be an
>>excellent results, but the draw is a good results too.
>
>>The problem with anti-GM is that all you did was announce it and
>>suddenly every one was congratulating you for such a great
>>innovation.  It's not even a new idea by any means.  Anyone could
>>have made this announcement without writing a single line of code.
>>I have to remain skeptical until a whole lot more evidence comes
>>in.  Getting a good results against Anand with an already GREAT
>>program does not do it for me.
>
>>Is this going to be a switch we can turn on and off in your next
>>program?  Can we do our own tests and analyze the games and moves
>>and do direct comparisons so that we can judge for ourselves?
>>Will this mode play weaker against other computers or will it
>>be just as strong?   Until I can satisfy my curiosity I for
>>one will remain a skeptic.   If indeed you are doing wonderful
>>things with opponent modeling then I am definitely interested.
>
>In Rebel10 you will have the possibility to turn anti-GM on or off. Next
>the option has 3 other levels, ACTIVE, STRONG and SMART. The
>setting during the match was SMART in all 8 games and this will be
>the default setting in Rebel10.
>
>- Ed -
>
>
>>- Don


Ed,

Thanks for the info on the new anti-GM option.  I look forward to
checking it out in Rebel10.

- Don




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