Author: pavel
Date: 18:24:52 05/30/02
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On May 30, 2002 at 21:14:56, Dann Corbit wrote: >On May 30, 2002 at 21:06:17, pavel wrote: > >>On May 30, 2002 at 20:55:06, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On May 30, 2002 at 20:39:14, pavel wrote: >>> >>>>On May 30, 2002 at 20:26:00, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>> >>>>>Please list the 10 best Free Winboard Chess Engines that YOU think are the best >>>>>- they should have: >>>>> >>>>>Playing strength (Please Estimate ELO Rating) >>>>>Full implementation of Winboard commands >>>>>Bug free >>>>>EGTB >>>>>Opening book >>>>>Mutilple time settings >>>>>Good Documentation >>>> >>>>IMO: Ten Best (I think) "Free" winboard engines. >>>> >>>>(in no perticular order, because it is hard to say for sure or even to estimate, >>>>who is better than whom) >>>> >>>>Crafty >>>>Yace >>>>Anmon >>>>SoS >>>>Bringer >>>>Comet >>>>Phalanx >>>>Little Goliath >>>>Gromit >>>>Phraon >>>> >>>>If I had more choices, I would add, Amy, Sjeng, BeoWulf and Delfi, only because >>>>they have some kind of uniqueness in themself >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>This is a survey - there are so many engines now - I would like try some of the >>>>>best - but I don't which ones - besides Crafty. >>>> >>>>The Best beside Crafty, would "without doubt" be YACE. >>> >>>Gauntlet data (relatively long time control games, minimum 12 games completed): >>> >>> Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws >>> 1 LG2000V3 : 2589 97 197 31 77.4 % 2375 6.5 % >>> 2 Yace 0.99.50 : 2587 31 104 188 86.2 % 2269 12.8 % >>> 3 MAD-005 : 2583 37 110 145 83.1 % 2306 10.3 % >>> 4 Crafty-18.10 : 2580 102 138 29 75.9 % 2381 27.6 % >>> 5 Comet-B37 : 2554 103 129 31 71.0 % 2399 25.8 % >>> 6 TCBishop-4601 : 2543 103 165 30 73.3 % 2367 13.3 % >>> 7 Gromit3 : 2528 99 100 36 66.7 % 2407 33.3 % >>> 8 Nejmet-260 : 2526 109 163 28 71.4 % 2367 14.3 % >>> 9 Phalanx-xxii : 2524 105 160 31 69.4 % 2382 9.7 % >>> 10 AnMon-509 : 2519 33 83 195 81.0 % 2267 14.4 % >> >> >>It does'nt prove that Yace is not "best" besides Crafty. :) > >Crafty is may favorite chess program, and Yace is probably my second favorite >(but I am also partial to Chess Tiger and some others). > >>IMO Yace-Crafty is reasonably above the rest of the crowd. > >I don't think so. The top amateur programs are closing in from the bottom. >Many of them are close enough in strength that nobody really knows if Crafty or >Yace is stronger or not. Not many games have been played by these engines at >long time controls. Most of the estimates are based on wild speculation based >on a ridiculously small set of games or on fast paced games. > >>The closest to Yace-Crafty would probably be LG2000. > >It's probably stronger than either. It also won the "Battle of the Crowns" >rather convincingly. And yet I like both Crafty and Yace better. *shrug* As I said Before, "in no perticular order, because it is hard to say for sure or even to estimate, who is better than whom" I think for winboard engine this statement is more true than for commercial engines. Some of the speculations is also based on your personal likings, ie, Crafty, Yace, LG ....
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