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Subject: Re: So Many Winboard Engines Which ones to chose from?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 18:57:56 05/30/02

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On May 30, 2002 at 21:24:52, pavel wrote:

>On May 30, 2002 at 21:14:56, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On May 30, 2002 at 21:06:17, pavel wrote:
>>
>>>On May 30, 2002 at 20:55:06, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 30, 2002 at 20:39:14, pavel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 30, 2002 at 20:26:00, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Please list the 10 best Free Winboard Chess Engines that YOU think are the best
>>>>>>- they should have:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Playing strength (Please Estimate ELO Rating)
>>>>>>Full implementation of Winboard commands
>>>>>>Bug free
>>>>>>EGTB
>>>>>>Opening book
>>>>>>Mutilple time settings
>>>>>>Good Documentation
>>>>>
>>>>>IMO: Ten Best (I think) "Free" winboard engines.
>>>>>
>>>>>(in no perticular order, because it is hard to say for sure or even to estimate,
>>>>>who is better than whom)
>>>>>
>>>>>Crafty
>>>>>Yace
>>>>>Anmon
>>>>>SoS
>>>>>Bringer
>>>>>Comet
>>>>>Phalanx
>>>>>Little Goliath
>>>>>Gromit
>>>>>Phraon
>>>>>
>>>>>If I had more choices, I would add, Amy, Sjeng, BeoWulf and Delfi, only because
>>>>>they have some kind of uniqueness in themself
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a survey - there are so many engines now - I would like try some of the
>>>>>>best - but I don't which ones - besides Crafty.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Best beside Crafty, would "without doubt" be YACE.
>>>>
>>>>Gauntlet data (relatively long time control games, minimum 12 games completed):
>>>>
>>>>    Program            Elo    +   -   Games   Score   Av.Op.  Draws
>>>>  1 LG2000V3         : 2589   97 197    31    77.4 %   2375    6.5 %
>>>>  2 Yace 0.99.50     : 2587   31 104   188    86.2 %   2269   12.8 %
>>>>  3 MAD-005          : 2583   37 110   145    83.1 %   2306   10.3 %
>>>>  4 Crafty-18.10     : 2580  102 138    29    75.9 %   2381   27.6 %
>>>>  5 Comet-B37        : 2554  103 129    31    71.0 %   2399   25.8 %
>>>>  6 TCBishop-4601    : 2543  103 165    30    73.3 %   2367   13.3 %
>>>>  7 Gromit3          : 2528   99 100    36    66.7 %   2407   33.3 %
>>>>  8 Nejmet-260       : 2526  109 163    28    71.4 %   2367   14.3 %
>>>>  9 Phalanx-xxii     : 2524  105 160    31    69.4 %   2382    9.7 %
>>>> 10 AnMon-509        : 2519   33  83   195    81.0 %   2267   14.4 %
>>>
>>>
>>>It does'nt prove that Yace is not "best" besides Crafty. :)
>>
>>Crafty is may favorite chess program, and Yace is probably my second favorite
>>(but I am also partial to Chess Tiger and some others).
>>
>>>IMO Yace-Crafty is reasonably above the rest of the crowd.
>>
>>I don't think so.  The top amateur programs are closing in from the bottom.
>>Many of them are close enough in strength that nobody really knows if Crafty or
>>Yace is stronger or not.  Not many games have been played by these engines at
>>long time controls.  Most of the estimates are based on wild speculation based
>>on a ridiculously small set of games or on fast paced games.
>>
>>>The closest to Yace-Crafty would probably be LG2000.
>>
>>It's probably stronger than either.  It also won the "Battle of the Crowns"
>>rather convincingly.   And yet I like both Crafty and Yace better.  *shrug*
>
>
>As I said Before, "in no perticular order, because it is hard to say for sure or
>even to estimate, who is better than whom"
>
>I think for winboard engine this statement is more true than for commercial
>engines. Some of the speculations is also based on your personal likings, ie,
>Crafty, Yace, LG ....

Indeed.  This is the entire "reason to be" for the gauntlet tournament -- to
establish some sort of relative strength for freely available programs without
resorting to feelings.



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