Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 18:57:56 05/30/02
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On May 30, 2002 at 21:24:52, pavel wrote: >On May 30, 2002 at 21:14:56, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On May 30, 2002 at 21:06:17, pavel wrote: >> >>>On May 30, 2002 at 20:55:06, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On May 30, 2002 at 20:39:14, pavel wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 30, 2002 at 20:26:00, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Please list the 10 best Free Winboard Chess Engines that YOU think are the best >>>>>>- they should have: >>>>>> >>>>>>Playing strength (Please Estimate ELO Rating) >>>>>>Full implementation of Winboard commands >>>>>>Bug free >>>>>>EGTB >>>>>>Opening book >>>>>>Mutilple time settings >>>>>>Good Documentation >>>>> >>>>>IMO: Ten Best (I think) "Free" winboard engines. >>>>> >>>>>(in no perticular order, because it is hard to say for sure or even to estimate, >>>>>who is better than whom) >>>>> >>>>>Crafty >>>>>Yace >>>>>Anmon >>>>>SoS >>>>>Bringer >>>>>Comet >>>>>Phalanx >>>>>Little Goliath >>>>>Gromit >>>>>Phraon >>>>> >>>>>If I had more choices, I would add, Amy, Sjeng, BeoWulf and Delfi, only because >>>>>they have some kind of uniqueness in themself >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>This is a survey - there are so many engines now - I would like try some of the >>>>>>best - but I don't which ones - besides Crafty. >>>>> >>>>>The Best beside Crafty, would "without doubt" be YACE. >>>> >>>>Gauntlet data (relatively long time control games, minimum 12 games completed): >>>> >>>> Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws >>>> 1 LG2000V3 : 2589 97 197 31 77.4 % 2375 6.5 % >>>> 2 Yace 0.99.50 : 2587 31 104 188 86.2 % 2269 12.8 % >>>> 3 MAD-005 : 2583 37 110 145 83.1 % 2306 10.3 % >>>> 4 Crafty-18.10 : 2580 102 138 29 75.9 % 2381 27.6 % >>>> 5 Comet-B37 : 2554 103 129 31 71.0 % 2399 25.8 % >>>> 6 TCBishop-4601 : 2543 103 165 30 73.3 % 2367 13.3 % >>>> 7 Gromit3 : 2528 99 100 36 66.7 % 2407 33.3 % >>>> 8 Nejmet-260 : 2526 109 163 28 71.4 % 2367 14.3 % >>>> 9 Phalanx-xxii : 2524 105 160 31 69.4 % 2382 9.7 % >>>> 10 AnMon-509 : 2519 33 83 195 81.0 % 2267 14.4 % >>> >>> >>>It does'nt prove that Yace is not "best" besides Crafty. :) >> >>Crafty is may favorite chess program, and Yace is probably my second favorite >>(but I am also partial to Chess Tiger and some others). >> >>>IMO Yace-Crafty is reasonably above the rest of the crowd. >> >>I don't think so. The top amateur programs are closing in from the bottom. >>Many of them are close enough in strength that nobody really knows if Crafty or >>Yace is stronger or not. Not many games have been played by these engines at >>long time controls. Most of the estimates are based on wild speculation based >>on a ridiculously small set of games or on fast paced games. >> >>>The closest to Yace-Crafty would probably be LG2000. >> >>It's probably stronger than either. It also won the "Battle of the Crowns" >>rather convincingly. And yet I like both Crafty and Yace better. *shrug* > > >As I said Before, "in no perticular order, because it is hard to say for sure or >even to estimate, who is better than whom" > >I think for winboard engine this statement is more true than for commercial >engines. Some of the speculations is also based on your personal likings, ie, >Crafty, Yace, LG .... Indeed. This is the entire "reason to be" for the gauntlet tournament -- to establish some sort of relative strength for freely available programs without resorting to feelings.
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