Author: Rafael Andrist
Date: 12:38:31 05/31/02
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On May 31, 2002 at 02:56:03, Harald Faber wrote: >On May 30, 2002 at 16:16:36, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 30, 2002 at 14:32:25, Harald Faber wrote: >> >>>On May 30, 2002 at 09:04:40, Mike S. wrote: >>> >>>>On May 30, 2002 at 08:25:40, Harald Faber wrote: >>>> >>>>>(...) >>>>>To ignore that there are endgames with mate or catching pieces in >50 moves >>>>>makes FIDE also out of real life like the Catholic Church and the Pope >>>>>(although they do not have much in common with chess). >>>> >>>>I think FIDE doesn't ignore (as there were exceptions, temporarily), but has >>>>decided so on purpose: It is a matter of definition. What is a *won game* (with >>>>emphasis on "game"), and when should it be declared as drawn (i.e. because of >>>>too long maneuvring, where nothing "substantial" happens)? >>> >>> >>>This should be easily answered! >>> >>> >>>>There are two things, which are not necessarily the same: >>>> >>>>(1) The (theoretical and technical) possibility to force a mate, no matter how >>>>long it takes against best defense, and >>>> >>>>(2) to include that into the definition of a won game by the rules, even if it >>>>needs more than 50 moves without pawn move or capture. >>> >>> >>>So what?? If positions cannot be won under 50+ moves then it is draw?? What kind >>>of nonsense is that?? >> >>How long do you let the game go on? Overnight? What about the start of the >>_next_ round? Do the players get a rest break? If you adjudicate, do you >>adjudicate based on the tables, or based on human playing skill? >> >>Too many issues. Too much room for dispute and interpretation. >> >>Chess (and FIDE) listened to the _players_. They (FIDE) first started >>enumerating exceptions. Then the GM players started saying "wait a minute, >>these games can go on for hours just because one side can 'theoretically' >>win... and then we lose the next round because we are burned out. Stop >>the nonsense. Stop the exceptions." >> >>And FIDE listened and did... >> >>It _was_ the FIDE membership that demanded the exceptions be dropped. It >>wasn't a political decision. > > >Then what about different rules for computer chess? There are plenty of positions where humans will see and agree a draw and where computers will play on ad infinitum. I think it is very important to have the 50-move rule also for engine-engine matches. regards Rafael B. Andrist
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