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Subject: Re: Algorithms vs. knowledge - What to do next?

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 05:59:10 06/04/02

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On June 04, 2002 at 08:29:12, Uri Blass wrote:

>On June 04, 2002 at 07:17:03, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On June 04, 2002 at 02:33:55, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>
>>I have been wasting a lot of time in search past years.
>>
>>Like last months i have wasted my time working on forward pruning.
>>
>>Sure i can search 3 ply deeper with it (and kicking out singular
>>extensions and other extensions).
>>
>>However if i do that, then it scores simply 20-25% worse in tests
>>against commercial programs.
>>
>>The reason was not so hard to find for me. It simply goes for 1
>>move and stays with that move. The rest gets forward pruned. Chances
>>to find a superb move is way smaller.
>
>In this case it is a bad way of using forward pruning.
>The idea of forward pruning is to prune tactical blunders and not to prune
>positional moves.

Fritz7 is doing opposite of pruning tactics. It seems to only prune positional
lines. Idem for junior. Junior only sees tactics deeper. It simply
gives for a simple rook move like Rab1 (if b-file isn't an
open file) 2 ply penalty (or better the move costs around 3 ply
to make).

IMHO frans might do this because he is focussed upon solving
tactics. If i use a similar form of pruning which fritz6/deepfritz
seems to use, then diep only goes score 20-25% worse.

Of course 400 points stronger at tactics...

>Forward pruning that is done only when you lose a lot of material and the
>remaining depth is small enough is a productive forward pruning.
>
>This is the first pruning that I added to movei even before null move pruning.
>I have some more conditions in my program to help it not to miss sacrifices
>by that pruning and I found that this pruning helped Movei to be better not only
>in games but also in test suites.
>
>Uri



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