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Subject: Re: Which engine finds Ng5+ ?

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 10:48:48 09/08/02

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On September 02, 2002 at 03:59:32, Terry Ripple wrote:

>On September 02, 2002 at 03:32:00, Steffen Jakob wrote:
>
>>On September 02, 2002 at 03:23:43, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>
>>>Hello again Steffen,
>>>I checked your problem once again, but with "Deep Fritz" and found out why you
>>>didn't find the solution with this engine. It wasn't because your pc is slow
>>>,but because Deep Fritz can't find the correct answer(Ng5+)and as a matter of
>>>fact it couldn't find it in 2 hours! What do you say to that? It can't do what
>>>it's brother Fritz 7 could do!
>>
>>The problem is that the score for Ng5+ (F7) is almost the same as for Qf4 (DF7).
>>
>>Greetings,
>>Steffen.
>---------------
>Fritz 7 detected the difference of only .3 between the moves Qf4 and Ng5+. It's
>latest thought on Qf4 was 1.57 before switching to Ng5+ that started with a
>score of 1.60 and so i'am curious why Deep Fritz can't do the same detection?
>
>Wouldn't the scores need to be exactly the same to possibly not being able to
>show the correct answer? The scores from Fritz 7 seem to show enough difference
>and because Deep Fritz is a close brother in it's programming i thought it would
>be not much difference either and thus be able to find Ng5+.
>
>Regards,
>      Terry


Fritz7 here does not have much difficulty finding Ng5+, 15 ply in 252 seconds.

Ernst.


New game
r1b2r2/pp1p1p1k/1qn2Ppp/5p2/3p4/3B1N2/PPPQ1PPP/R3R1K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 7:

1.Rab1 d6 2.Bc4 Qd8 3.Rbd1 Qxf6 4.Qf4 Be6 5.Qxd6
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:00  326kN
1.Rab1 Qd8 2.Re2 d5 3.Qf4 Qxf6 4.Rbe1 Be6 5.a3
  ²  (0.59)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:00  442kN
1.Qf4!
  ²  (0.63)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:01  602kN
1.Qf4!
  ±  (0.78)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:01  639kN
1.Qf4 Qxb2 2.Qh4 h5 3.Bxf5 Kg8 4.Be4 d5
  ±  (0.84)   Depth: 9/22   00:00:01  684kN
1.Qf4 d6 2.Qh4 h5 3.Ng5+ Kg8 4.Rab1 Be6 5.Nxe6 fxe6 6.Rxe6 Ne5
  ±  (0.94)   Depth: 10/25   00:00:02  1083kN
1.Qf4 d6 2.Qh4 h5 3.Rab1 Kg8 4.Qf4 Qd8 5.Qg5 Be6 6.a3
  ±  (1.09)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:05  2733kN
1.Qf4 d5 2.Qh4 h5 3.Rab1 Kg8 4.Qg5 Nd8 5.Ne5 Ne6 6.Qg3 Re8
  ±  (1.22)   Depth: 12/33   00:00:16  8807kN
1.Qf4 d5 2.Qh4 h5 3.g4 Nb4 4.Rad1 Nxd3 5.gxh5 g5 6.Nxg5+ Kh6
  ±  (1.34)   Depth: 13/35   00:01:11  39372kN
1.Qf4 Nb4 2.Qh4 Kg8 3.Nxd4 Nxd3 4.cxd3 d5 5.Rac1 a5 6.Rc2 Ra6 7.Nf3 Qxf6 8.Qxh6
  +-  (1.56)   Depth: 14/36   00:02:21  78927kN
1.Qf4 Nb4 2.Qh4 Kg8 3.Re5 d5 4.Bxf5 Qd6 5.Bd3 Bd7 6.Re7 Rad8 7.Rae1 Nc6 8.R7e2
  +-  (1.59)   Depth: 15/35   00:03:32  120868kN
1.Ng5+!
  +-  (1.63)   Depth: 15/36   00:04:12  145232kN
1.Ng5+ hxg5 2.Qxg5 Nb4 3.Bxf5 Nd5 4.Be4 Qxf6 5.Qxd5 d6 6.Rad1 Be6 7.Qxd4 Qxd4
8.Rxd4
  +-  (1.69)   Depth: 15/36   00:04:19  149599kN
1.Ng5+!
  +-  (1.97)   Depth: 16/37   00:04:50  168520kN
1.Ng5+ hxg5 2.Qxg5 Nb4 3.Re5 d5 4.Bxf5 Bxf5 5.Qh4+ Kg8 6.Rxf5 Nxc2 7.Rh5 Qxf6
8.Qxf6
  +-  (2.09)   Depth: 17/42   00:08:10  291633kN

(Celeron 1.2GHz, 832MB hash, 3, 4 and 5 piece EGTB's 08.09.2002)



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