Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:42:22 10/02/02
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On October 02, 2002 at 18:35:06, Uri Blass wrote: >On October 02, 2002 at 16:22:44, Hartmut Woldeit wrote: > >>On October 02, 2002 at 14:07:59, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On October 02, 2002 at 13:02:08, Hartmut Woldeit wrote: >>> >>>>Hallo, >>>> >>>>it's no new information that Crafty1714 is one of the best Crafty-versions. >>>>Better than most of his followers. >>> >>>I do not know it. >>>I only know that there is not big difference and you need hundreds of games to >>>prove. >> >>Hallo Uri, >> >>I do not know "hundred of games". I'm watching engine-engine-games. > >I did not watch games of Crafty versions but saying that Crafty17.14 is clearly >better than later crafty seems to me an insult to Bob who continue to work on >crafty. > >There can be a small difference but I do not believe that a big negative >difference can happen when Bob does not find it. > >In order to be convinced in small negative difference you need hundreds and >maybe thousands of games. > >I know that Bob add knowledge to Crafty so I simply cannot believe that it is >significantly worse. > >A big bug can happen in a version but I do not believe that it can stay for a >lot of time without correction so big bugs in Crafty1715 were probably fixed >later. > >>I see when an engine-creator would to have give up his previous good >>selfestimastion. (Does the author of "Genesis" still tells at his hp his engine >>is ~22oo Elo...?). > >I think that the rating of programs is dependent on the hardware and the time >control and the question if the human opponents are prepared to play anti >computer. > >I believe that genesis can achieve 2200 in the right conditions. >> >>Watching several games, I know if an an engine-version became better or not. >> >>You said that "you do not know it", but saying "there is not big >>difference...". >> >>Contradictio in adjecto? > >No > >I know based on rating lists that there is a no big difference. >I do not know which version is better. > >> >>Or did you mean that Crafty1714 is unknown to you? > >I may look at numbers again(I remember that Sarah has lot of Crafty in her >rating list but I do not remember now if 1714 is one of them. > >I am going to look for her posts in the last week and find it in a few minutes. Ok Here it is No Crafty17l4 in her list You can see that 17.10 is slightly better than 18.08 and 18.10 but no big difference. 36 Crafty 17.10 : 2488 63 81 72 47.2 % 2507 30.6 % 37 Junior 5.0 : 2488 35 46 199 45.7 % 2517 36.2 % 38 Nimzo 7.32 : 2485 33 39 259 43.6 % 2530 34.0 % 39 Crafty 18.08 : 2483 47 53 129 39.5 % 2557 37.2 % 40 Crafty 18.10 : 2474 44 49 141 37.6 % 2562 39.7 % 41 Fritz 4.01 : 2455 35 41 217 41.5 % 2514 36.9 % 42 SOS : 2448 44 44 178 38.2 % 2532 31.5 % 43 Crafty 17.11 : 2428 55 69 83 41.6 % 2487 39.8 % 44 Fritz 5.00 : 2418 42 40 187 34.5 % 2530 36.9 % 45 Crafty 17.07 : 2409 66 65 80 35.6 % 2511 33.8 % 46 Junior 4.6 : 2387 42 42 163 31.9 % 2519 41.7 % Uri
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