Author: Slater Wold
Date: 23:44:52 10/03/02
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On October 04, 2002 at 02:35:13, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>On October 04, 2002 at 00:28:18, Slater Wold wrote:
>
>>On October 03, 2002 at 12:50:41, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>>
>>>>I think if you believe for one second the largest CPU manufacturer in the world
>>>>is going to let a company with 2 or 3 fabs take over it's business, you're
>>>>smoking something too. ;)
>>>
>>>I'm not saying they're going to flood they market and put Intel out of business
>>>at all. I'm saying the chip they're producing is much better.
>>
>>They couldn't flood the market, even if they wanted to.
>>
>>It's a simple fact that Intel CPUs outsale AMD CPUs. Right, wrong, or
>>indifferent. A few more quarters of AMD being $100M off, and there will be no
>>more AMD.
>>
>>AMD has come a long way. Way back when they were compared to Cyrix, and Intel
>>was in a league of its own. Where is Cyrix now? And where is AMD?
>>
>>They make a great CPU. The best on the market IMO. However 'IMO' means very
>>little to investors.
>>
>>>Intel will of course find new ways to BS people. Whether it's with them trying
>>>to make people think a new CPU is going to increase their internet performance
>>>as they've tried in the past or ramping up clock speeds while providing poor
>>>performance. I'm positive Intel will continue to lie, buy people off, influence
>>>review pages so they provide favorable reviews, etc. Intel will be around for
>>>some time no doubt but as I've said in the past on many occasions... you can
>>>only BS people for so long.
>>
>>This is beside the point Aaron. You like to spread this around like it's the
>>gospel, and plain and simply, it's business.
>>
>>How many Fortune 500 companies "BS people"? I would bet 90% of them.
>>
>>I have a close friend who is a writer for Car & Driver. Want to know what he
>>drives? Want to know who paid for it? Want to know if it got a good review?
>>Want to know how many automobile companies have lined his pockets? It's
>>business. And it's pretty much accepted practice.
>>
>>I like AMD. I use AMD. I have 3 computers, all AMD. I recommend AMD. But I
>>know who's winning the CPU war, and it isn't AMD.
>>
>>And it's not because Intel "lies to people, buys off people, and influence
>>review pages". Perhaps, if you were to break it down, maybe 5% of all market
>>share goes to Intel because of "shady business". Last time I saw, Intel had AMD
>>beat by almost a 40% market share. It just keeps people in check. I doubt
>>anyone has ever made the sole desicion to purchase a CPU because of a review on
>>Tomshardware.com, or because Intel says it'll make their internet faster.
>>
>>Anyway, I hope you don't misunderstand me here. I am praying I don't get a
>>"...go back to high school.." reply. I am simply saying 2 things;
>>
>>1.) AMD is losing. No matter how much better they are.
>>
>>2.) You should let a product win its own battle, by comparing CPUs, not
>>companies. This only makes you look more desperate to compensate the difference
>>in sales.
>
>I'm not denying Intel is a larger company. Nor am I denying AMD is losing money.
>My points were AMD makes better cpus and Intel has bad business practices. I
>would rather have little or no money and have some ethics than lots of money and
>none at all. Thats just me though. Hard for me to accept
>companies going to such lengths to sell their product.
Well, my point was mostly, you're not SEC, you can't question Intel's business
practices. Only their products.
Those are good ethics. Just not ones that are usually considered when you're
dealing with $4B a year and 1+ million jobs.
>I can see how it's easy for Intel to 'buy' reviewers though. I'm sure the
>reviewers mean well at first, too. If you think about it.. Intel sends them
>various cpus, boards, etc. They're thinking, "Wow, this is pretty neat. I'm
>getting all sorts of goodies from Intel". Now, on to the testing.. it turns out
>it's losing to the AMD systems. "Hmm" they say. "If I give this a bad review
>Intel might not send me any more neat stuff to play with". Guess what happens
>next? You cripple the AMD system and have the Intel stuff win more tests than
>the AMD systems. Now Intel is happy and the reviewer is happy.
>
>About review pages, they DO make a difference. Nothing massive but it filters
>around. People who go there will read a review and go back to work or school and
>spread it around and so on. Those people spread it further and etc. If review
>pages didn't make a difference at all then companies wouldn't bother sending
>them the slews of hardware that they do.
I still don't think it's that huge of an impact. But that's just my opinion.
I've had access to the internet for well over 6 years, and this year was the
first I've really seen review sites start popping up.
>When I start making enough money I'll definitely start a review page of my own.
>Completely unbiased. Whatever is faster is faster, simple as that. Will have
>modification guides, tweaking guides, and detailed reviews. All benchmarks done
>will be reported in detail and will be runnable by the readers. Also..
>any company that contacts me and offers me hardware for a favorable review
>reguardless of the results will get a nice surprise. Their email displayed on
>the front page for everyone to see. :)
Well, no company is ever going to ask you to lie. Ever.
They will just stop sending stuff after you flame them and/or give them bad
reviews a few times. And then you'll have to spend your own money, and then
you'll be late on reviews ("Hey! This site had this review 2 weeks before
you!"), then no one will come to your site, and then you'll be out of business.
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