Author: Russell Reagan
Date: 12:30:33 10/14/02
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On October 14, 2002 at 12:44:41, Ed Panek wrote: >I disagree. This "team" represents _all_ computer chess at this tournament. According to you, and you ONLY... >What >people see here is representative of what the average "joe" thinks/sees about >computer chess. The average "joe" isn't going to know or care who Frans Morsch and his team are. The majority of the general public doens't even know this match is going on. Of those who have heard about it, the vast majority will never visit chessbase.com of read your post. Of those who will actually see that picture, probably almost all have heard of Frans Morsch before, and (unless they are highly immature) will not have their opinion of the man swayed by a picture taken in good fun. Even _IF_ (big if) it was a bad thing for them to do, their punishment is the bad publicity it would give them from "joe" seeing that picture. That is the "punishment", not you posting what jerks they are here. It sounds to me like you just have some alterior motive to put Frans Morsch in a bad light here. >Having fun is all good and well, but posting a smug picture on >your site after your opponent makes a blunder and "having fun" looks ridiculous >and childish to me. You obviously aren't one who can accurately determine what is childish and what is not. If you had that ability, you wouldn't have posted this in the first place. It seems awfully childish to attack someone for having their picture taken with sunglasses on. And who is to say it was their idea? Maybe it was chessbase. Do you know this for a fact? Do you know the exact circumstances surrounding this situation? Even if you were physically present when the picture was taken, that doens't mean you know what's going on. >Imagine if IBM had posted this type of pic on their website >after Kaspy blundered...I know I cant imagine it either. I imagine the only people who would throw a fit would be you and Garry. I don't think anyone would care, unless of course they had this personal agenda with IBM, then it would probably drive that person nuts :) >IF computer chess is >trying to be taken seriously as a serious enterprise, these sophmoric attempts >at humor that only people close to the audience understand, they need to be >considered more carefully. Maybe their goal isn't what you think it should be. You seem to be basing what is right and wrong on your personal opinion. You think it's childish, you think this isn't helping computer chess, you think it's hurting the "computer chess enterprise"...so what? > This picture belongs in the authors personal scrapbook, not on the webpage of >the products he is endorsing...especially after the way they won game 5. Did you personally see Frans Morsch ftp into the chessbase web server and upload this picture? Somehow I don't think you witnessed that... >A >picture of the team smiling would be nice, but the bravado in THIS picture makes >computer chess look like a collegiate endeavor. Well, Ed, it is a GAME last time I checked. Someone needs a chill pill... You sound like you're about to have a heart attack over this, and you don't even know the circumstances in which the picture was taken (as another poster said, it was in fact taken before their win), you don't know who is responsible for posting it on the chessbase website, and you're basing this entire thing on your opinion that "it's childish". It seems like everyone else looks at that picture and thinks, "hah, those silly guys." while you're ready to put the fall of computer chess on the shoulders of the Fritz team. At the end of the day, when you take all that the Fritz team has done for computer chess, and you subtract all of the horrible things that happen such as taking pictures wearing sunglasses, the Fritz team has still done more for computer chess than 90% of us here put together. What do you expect them to be doing? They aren't playing. They aren't allowed to change the program during the match. They're just spectating like the rest of us. If a picture of Kramnik was posted in which he was drunk with his arms around party girls, and he lost the next day, that's something to talk about. A couple of computer chess guys wearing sunglasses isn't big news IMO. Russell
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