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Subject: Re: Against Club Players: Are Top Programs Stronger than GM?

Author: Fernando Villegas

Date: 13:18:46 09/05/98

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On September 05, 1998 at 15:41:33, Serge Desmarais wrote:

>On September 05, 1998 at 10:48:40, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>
>>Hi srrge:
>>Well, you said it: a GM, being a human being, can subestimate an opponent!! A GM
>>maybe gets bore; a GM maybe want to piss. A computer does not. There our chance
>>is. Of course you are right in a lot of things that I also know; I wwas just
>>giving a new glance to this in order not to fall in a dogma. I have the feeling
>>that computer perfomance Vs humans has been sistematically downgraded. Look at
>>what we do ourselves: each time we are beaten we just forget the game: each
>>scarce time we get a draw or a winning, we rush to save the game and show it to
>>our friends and you sincerely have the impression you are thre great thing. I
>>have seen many master being defeated badly one game after another by my top
>>programs, but then they win just one and begin to laugh on the computer, "this
>>stupid beast".
>>regards
>>fernando
>
>
>   An amateur who almost lose about ALL his games against a certain program will
>praise his first win! He will shaow it to you, giving and explaining all the
>variations and subvariations and what he intended to play if the computer had
>played this or that. It is like the same as beating Kasparov. If he beats me 99
>times but in the 100th game he blunders, I will put the emphasis on THAT last
>game because it is above what could be expected and what the average game score
>was.
>
>   As for the "stupid beast", I think that people feel uneasy about losing a
>game to a "thing", especially when it is a game of reflection and strategy!
>Masters are even more upset by that, since they are titled players and they has
>to achieve special results to get the title. Not so long ago, chess was seen as
>a game necessitating a good intelligence, while its best performers were
>regarded as Geniuses. Now, if a "thing", a unintelligent object, can do as good
>or better than them, maybe tis doesn't require any intelligence, after all? And
>this forces us to define more accurately the concept of "intelligence" or to
>include the computers amongst the intelligent "things" in the universe. Though,
>for me, a computer is not more intelligent than a toaster or a rock, I remember
>discussing it with a friend, once. He was saying that there was a gradation in
>intelligence and that a computer was "more" intelligent than a toaster, as
>intelligent as an ant, but less intelligent than a rat, for example!
>
Well, I would say that thins not only are intelligent, but even cunning and
perverse. Each time I talk about how good things are going on, if I do that near
my Renault, he lesson me and the following day he gets mad and I must expende
some money in repairs. The same with almost any appliance. Beware, the are
lessoning us all the time!
Fernando
>
>Serge Desmarais



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