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Subject: Re: Did Kramnik make it difficult for Kasparov?

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 12:20:51 10/27/02

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On October 27, 2002 at 14:54:02, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 27, 2002 at 13:57:46, Roy Eassa wrote:
>
>>On October 27, 2002 at 11:46:12, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>
>>>On October 27, 2002 at 00:52:27, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 26, 2002 at 18:35:30, Yatheen Manicka wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It seems to that the recently completed match in Bahrain has made things much
>>>>>more difficult for Kasparov in his match v Deep Junior in December.
>>>>>Deep Fritz demonstrated through trial and error how to play "anti-human" chess
>>>>>vs a GM, eg.,keep queens on the board and avoid positional maneuvering.
>>>>
>>>>I do not believe that it is possible to
>>>>keep queens on the board and avoid positional maneuvering.
>>>>
>>>>Kramnik demonstrated mistakes that are not typical for him.
>>>>
>>>>In the match against Fritz he did 2 mistakes of one ply.
>>>>losing a piece and sacrificing a piece.
>>>
>>>Why do you call the sacrifice a 1 ply mistake? He thought about that move
>>>for 45 minutes. He took a chance, he had already shown he was superior in the
>>>quiet positions, I think he got bored and wanted to show he could play some
>>>exciting chess, and do it better then fritz too!
>>>
>>
>>
>>I agree, it was not a 1-ply error.
>
>It is dependent on the definition of 1-ply error.
>
>The point is that I understood that based on investigation of kramnik's games at
>120/40 the only case when he did something similiar was against anand.
>
>So one of the following:
>Kramnik did one 1 ply error when in the previous 100-200 games he never did it
>against humans.
>
>Kramnik did two 1 ply errors and in the previous 100-200 games against humans he
>did only one 1 ply error.
>
>Uri


In game 5 he made a 3-ply (not counting the move itself) error when he blundered
the piece.  In game 6, instead of playing a fairly obvious move that would
probably win, he made a sacrifice that proved to be incorrect but cannot be
considered a 1-ply mistake because the refutation is a LOT deeper than that.  I
understand that in the game against Anand he also made an unsound sacrifice with
a refutation much deeper than 1 ply -- but perhaps in that game he was losing
anyway?

In any case, I guess your definition of a 1-ply mistake eludes me.  I would
think it would mean the move leads to irrecoverable loss of significant material
(without compensation) or gets checkmated on the very next move by the opponent.
 A 3-ply error would mean the oppenent acquires the large advantage (material or
mate) 3 ply after your error, etc.




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