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Subject: Re: advantages versus disadvantage P4

Author: Matt Taylor

Date: 18:16:55 12/13/02

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On December 12, 2002 at 10:15:16, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On December 11, 2002 at 02:34:33, Matt Taylor wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>Eugene's explanation fits, though. I am suprised that Intel did not duplicate
>>the trace cache for both logical CPUs. It's like trying to fit an even bigger
>>peg into an already too small hole...
>>-Matt
>
>Exactly, but the hardware reason to do that is very simply.
>
>They can clock the thing to 3.04Ghz now. 2.8Ghz for the Xeon.
>
>But if you double the L1 data cache size or the trace cache size
>(i will not do a statement what in my eyes is smarter to duplicate
>because you can see my next sentence why) then you have a major other
>problem.
>
>You won't be able to clock it to 3.04Ghz then nor 2.8Ghz for the Xeon.
>
>If you have something small, you can clock it high.
>
>If you have something big like an Itanium2 or the 128KB L1 cache
>of a K7 then you can't clock it that easily to 3.04Ghz.
>
>So the clocking and the size of such important integrated things into
>the procesor is very closely related.

Actually that's not true. There are some 42 million transistors on the P4
Northwood -- more than on Athlon or any IA-32 processor prior to it. Yet it
clocks up higher than any competing chips have. The trick isn't to make things
simple; it's to split them up.

Two independant trace caches would scale fine without adding significant cost to
the processor. However, it would impede Intel profit margins because it would
require a bit of redesign.

-Matt



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