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Subject: Re: Junior better understanding of chess than Deep Blue

Author: Christopher A. Morgan

Date: 10:48:16 01/11/03

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Levy is president of ICGA, the organization that is hosting the match.  He
states a well known fact about the relative speed of the Deep Blue hardware at
200 million nodes per second and the likely speed of  whatever machine the DJ
team will use, 2-4 million nodes per second.  Given that fact he has to say
something about today’s programs on the hardware it will use in the match in
comparison to the 1997 Deep Blue v Kasparov match. We should expect him to say
exactly what he said.  I would not give a whole lot of credence to his
statement.

What is fairly apparent now is that speeds of 2 million nps or so seem
sufficient to give super grandmasters, 2700 ELO plus, fits using any of the
various top programs.  It seems that 200 million nps is an overkill to be
competitive with the world champ. There seems to be little discussion of this
point.  That is that Deep Blue running at, say 4 million nps could have been
just as competitive as it was with GK in 1997, as it was running at 200 million
nps.


On January 11, 2003 at 08:23:43, Frank Phillips wrote:

>"The next question is, and many people are asking it, do we know how Deep Junior
>compares in strength with Deep Blue? The really interesting thing, from the AI
>point of view in general and for computer chess researchers in particular, is
>that Deep Junior examines something like one percent of the number of positions
>per second of Deep Blue. But despite this Deep Junior may well play better chess
>because its "understanding" of the game is better. It appears to have more chess
>knowledge and understanding in its evaluation function than Deep Blue did, and
>this compensates for the difference in positions-per-second.." Extract from
>Levy on Chessbase.com site
>
>
>From what I read in Behind Deep Blue I find this surprising.  But then again, I
>no nothing about Junior other than it is an awesome program.
>
>If only Hsu had produced his chip so we could have answered this question rather
>than use it to fires.
>
>Good luck to Junior and team in the coming match.
>
>Frank



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