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Subject: Re: Junior better understanding of chess than Deep Blue

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:58:16 01/11/03

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On January 11, 2003 at 13:48:16, Christopher A. Morgan wrote:

>
>
>Levy is president of ICGA, the organization that is hosting the match.  He
>states a well known fact about the relative speed of the Deep Blue hardware at
>200 million nodes per second and the likely speed of  whatever machine the DJ
>team will use, 2-4 million nodes per second.  Given that fact he has to say
>something about today’s programs on the hardware it will use in the match in
>comparison to the 1997 Deep Blue v Kasparov match. We should expect him to say
>exactly what he said.  I would not give a whole lot of credence to his
>statement.

I would have to agree.  The "statement" is really mainly intended to
increase interest in the event.   David _knows_ better, of course...

>
>What is fairly apparent now is that speeds of 2 million nps or so seem
>sufficient to give super grandmasters, 2700 ELO plus, fits using any of the
>various top programs.  It seems that 200 million nps is an overkill to be
>competitive with the world champ. There seems to be little discussion of this
>point.  That is that Deep Blue running at, say 4 million nps could have been
>just as competitive as it was with GK in 1997, as it was running at 200 million
>nps.
>


Maybe...  although deep thought ran at that speed and had great trouble with
players at the top of the FIDE list.  It mangled most everybody else, however.

>
>On January 11, 2003 at 08:23:43, Frank Phillips wrote:
>
>>"The next question is, and many people are asking it, do we know how Deep Junior
>>compares in strength with Deep Blue? The really interesting thing, from the AI
>>point of view in general and for computer chess researchers in particular, is
>>that Deep Junior examines something like one percent of the number of positions
>>per second of Deep Blue. But despite this Deep Junior may well play better chess
>>because its "understanding" of the game is better. It appears to have more chess
>>knowledge and understanding in its evaluation function than Deep Blue did, and
>>this compensates for the difference in positions-per-second.." Extract from
>>Levy on Chessbase.com site
>>
>>
>>From what I read in Behind Deep Blue I find this surprising.  But then again, I
>>no nothing about Junior other than it is an awesome program.
>>
>>If only Hsu had produced his chip so we could have answered this question rather
>>than use it to fires.
>>
>>Good luck to Junior and team in the coming match.
>>
>>Frank



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