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Subject: Re: Why Nxg4 is a horrible move! Junior's Weaknesses

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:08:16 02/17/03

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On February 17, 2003 at 05:15:52, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On February 16, 2003 at 21:14:34, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>
>>>The point is easy. The whole line, Peter, is bad for Black. See the post from
>>>Michael. I gave the number to Peter Berger. Michael showed, and others before on
>>>the servers, that White had advantage. Not to be proven with whole lines of 40
>>>plies but still visible. Of course Kasparov played exactly NOT the line that led
>>>to advantage. So back to Nxg4. After g4 played, yes, then Nxg4 might be the best
>>>move. But NOT in a sense that it's a good move. If Nxg4 is a "good" move then
>>>the whole line is bull, that is the summary of that line. And the early 0-0 is
>>>the reason for that mess. So, to begin with you must avoid to play 0-0.
>>
>>But Bob wasn't talking about O-O, he was talking about Nxg4.  And I answered
>>Bob, so I was also taking about Nxg4.  Yes, we were both talking about Nxg4 I
>>think.
>>
>>Get it?
>>
>>Repeat after me 100 times: we were talking about Nxg4
>>
>>
>>Having a conversation with you is funny:
>
>
>Since English is Peter's main language the responsibility is _Peters_ that
>nobody is to be spoken to like that. Peters indecency is well documented here
>[it was just a couple of days ago]. The point here in our debate is clear to
>every good chessplayer [Peter is one] and therefore it's telling that exactly
>Amir's report is so confusing. And against Peters own knowledge he keeps on
>roaring here with a lingual overfloading as if he could defend Amir against Bob.
>This message here is a good example for Peters temper and communicative
>weaknesses.
>
>Just to explain to readers with less chess skills I'd like to show why Bob's
>position is ok and Amir is wrong.
>
>The question is, if the move Nxg4 is good, acceptable or bad?
>
>Amir said: it's the only move, and he insists that Crafty would play the worse
>h6 and so that Amir thinks that Junior is better than Crafty because it found
>the "best" = only move Nxg4.
>
>My comment: Amir is fatally wrong! I would say that a program that _avoids_ the
>opening of the g-line is _always_ "better"! Although its response (h6) is _also_
>bad. Here it's very clear that such a seemingly contradictory situation cannot
>be solved in that move itself but only in the perspective of the whole line.
>Every good chessplayer simply goes back and seeks for improvement. And it's very
>clear again that already Blacks O-O is very bad because after the response g4
>the threat g5 is already the end. And for basic reasons Black cannot open the
>g-file if White has not yet castled. Would Crafty avoid O-O? Michael showed that
>it prefered Bb7! So I conclude: Amir confuses the whole question of that line.
>He is not even aware of the fact that the whole line is bull if afterwards Black
>is forced to open the g-file. Crafty is much wiser because it avoids the whole
>zwick!
>
>Amirs difficulties have a historic record. A predescent of todays Junior was
>unable to mate with B+N against the naked K. More, it was incapable to
>underpromote. The logic of the response was that these situations were rather
>seldom in the games. Perhaps the opening of the g-file is also good in general
>and only in very rare cases disadvantageous. Reason: Junior needs the open game.
>But here is a clear indication of the fallacies of such lopsided reasoning in
>CC. Once such weaknesses become known a human chessplayer will exploit it
>without mercy. If several weaknesses exist the overall result will be a real
>pain for CC. The difference between comp-comp chess and comp-human chess is
>apparent! [With the Weak-Chain theory I had in mind that human players are
>capable of aiming exactly to such weaknesses while comps are totally incapable
>to _do_ that or to _defend_ against it!]

I disagree with the weak chain theory.

If I know that my opponent cannot win KBN vs K and cannot underpromotr then I
cannot exploit this weakness by getting that endgame.
There are weaknesses that are not important for games.

Uri



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