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Subject: Re: Why Nxg4 is a horrible move! Junior's Weaknesses

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 03:57:26 02/17/03

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On February 17, 2003 at 06:08:16, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 17, 2003 at 05:15:52, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On February 16, 2003 at 21:14:34, Peter McKenzie wrote:
>>
>>>>The point is easy. The whole line, Peter, is bad for Black. See the post from
>>>>Michael. I gave the number to Peter Berger. Michael showed, and others before on
>>>>the servers, that White had advantage. Not to be proven with whole lines of 40
>>>>plies but still visible. Of course Kasparov played exactly NOT the line that led
>>>>to advantage. So back to Nxg4. After g4 played, yes, then Nxg4 might be the best
>>>>move. But NOT in a sense that it's a good move. If Nxg4 is a "good" move then
>>>>the whole line is bull, that is the summary of that line. And the early 0-0 is
>>>>the reason for that mess. So, to begin with you must avoid to play 0-0.
>>>
>>>But Bob wasn't talking about O-O, he was talking about Nxg4.  And I answered
>>>Bob, so I was also taking about Nxg4.  Yes, we were both talking about Nxg4 I
>>>think.
>>>
>>>Get it?
>>>
>>>Repeat after me 100 times: we were talking about Nxg4
>>>
>>>
>>>Having a conversation with you is funny:
>>
>>
>>Since English is Peter's main language the responsibility is _Peters_ that
>>nobody is to be spoken to like that. Peters indecency is well documented here
>>[it was just a couple of days ago]. The point here in our debate is clear to
>>every good chessplayer [Peter is one] and therefore it's telling that exactly
>>Amir's report is so confusing. And against Peters own knowledge he keeps on
>>roaring here with a lingual overfloading as if he could defend Amir against Bob.
>>This message here is a good example for Peters temper and communicative
>>weaknesses.
>>
>>Just to explain to readers with less chess skills I'd like to show why Bob's
>>position is ok and Amir is wrong.
>>
>>The question is, if the move Nxg4 is good, acceptable or bad?
>>
>>Amir said: it's the only move, and he insists that Crafty would play the worse
>>h6 and so that Amir thinks that Junior is better than Crafty because it found
>>the "best" = only move Nxg4.
>>
>>My comment: Amir is fatally wrong! I would say that a program that _avoids_ the
>>opening of the g-line is _always_ "better"! Although its response (h6) is _also_
>>bad. Here it's very clear that such a seemingly contradictory situation cannot
>>be solved in that move itself but only in the perspective of the whole line.
>>Every good chessplayer simply goes back and seeks for improvement. And it's very
>>clear again that already Blacks O-O is very bad because after the response g4
>>the threat g5 is already the end. And for basic reasons Black cannot open the
>>g-file if White has not yet castled. Would Crafty avoid O-O? Michael showed that
>>it prefered Bb7! So I conclude: Amir confuses the whole question of that line.
>>He is not even aware of the fact that the whole line is bull if afterwards Black
>>is forced to open the g-file. Crafty is much wiser because it avoids the whole
>>zwick!
>>
>>Amirs difficulties have a historic record. A predescent of todays Junior was
>>unable to mate with B+N against the naked K. More, it was incapable to
>>underpromote. The logic of the response was that these situations were rather
>>seldom in the games. Perhaps the opening of the g-file is also good in general
>>and only in very rare cases disadvantageous. Reason: Junior needs the open game.
>>But here is a clear indication of the fallacies of such lopsided reasoning in
>>CC. Once such weaknesses become known a human chessplayer will exploit it
>>without mercy. If several weaknesses exist the overall result will be a real
>>pain for CC. The difference between comp-comp chess and comp-human chess is
>>apparent! [With the Weak-Chain theory I had in mind that human players are
>>capable of aiming exactly to such weaknesses while comps are totally incapable
>>to _do_ that or to _defend_ against it!]
>
>I disagree with the weak chain theory.
>
>If I know that my opponent cannot win KBN vs K and cannot underpromotion then I
>cannot exploit this weakness by getting that endgame.
>There are weaknesses that are not important for games.

It was just an example. Surely these two weaknesses are not crucial.
Weak-Chain-Theory means something else. Of course the weaknesses must have a
basic importance.

My argument was a general weakness in Amirs logic. And with the Nxg4 "only move"
his logic finally became senseless. Because the open file weakness is letal.

Rolf Tueschen

>
>Uri



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