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Subject: Re: For Bob Hyatt

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:55:15 02/18/03

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On February 18, 2003 at 12:53:14, Charles Worthington wrote:

>On February 18, 2003 at 12:02:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On February 17, 2003 at 23:51:46, Charles Worthington wrote:
>>
>>>Bob please tell me that I didn't just spend 18,900$ on this Dual 3.06 xeon
>>>ststem for no reason...I certainly hope there will be a significant performance
>>>increase over the amd 2400mp and xp. The fastest AMD on playchess pulls around
>>>2300 kns with deep fritz 7. I had hoped with dual 3.06 xeons and the new intel
>>>E7505 chipset i would exceed 3000 kNs. Was this unreasonable of me to expect
>>>this much speed?
>>
>>
>>I hope you didn't really mean "18,900 dollars".
>>
>>Current prices are:
>>
>>dual 2.8xeon + chassis + 2gb RAM, plus 2 x 36 gig U320 15K scsi drives, plus the
>>usual HD power supply, etc, for under $4,000.  You mentioned 146 gig scsi
>>drives.
>>I bought three of those for my new ftp machine (there are no 15K 146 gig SCSI
>>drives that I am aware of so you take a rotational latency performance hit by
>>backing
>>off to 10K) and paid just under $1,000 each at MicroWarehouse.
>>
>>If you meant 8,900, that is closer to reality, although it seems high to me
>>looking at
>>dell prices.
>>
>>I can't answer the speed issue with respect to fritz.  Crafty on my dual 2.8
>>runs at about
>>2.5M nodes per second.  This is with the quad-pumped 100mhz (400mhz claimed)
>>FSB.
>>Newer xeons are quad-pumped 133mhz (533mhz claimed) and should be even faster.
>>I'd
>>suspect Crafty might get close to 3M on that machine, in a position where it
>>gets 2.5M on
>>mine.  I have no idea whether fritz is faster or slower in raw NPS however...
>My mistake...the drives are 10,000 RPM BOB but the price quote is correct. I
>bought the machine with all available options including the 4GB RAM and filled
>all hard drive bays with the largest drives. The biggest expense though was the
>memory. around 4 thousand if i remember right


OK.  I haven't tried to run a configuration like that thru dell recently.  I
generally try to
buy a complete system from them, less the hard drives which I can generally find
elsewhere
at a significantly lower price.  Since they are hot-swappable, it takes four
screws to mount
the drive on the "drive sled" and you slide it in and run, no jumpers or
anything as the
backplane has that hard-coded for each slot.

10K 146 gig drives are just under $1,000 at MicroWarehouse, as I said.  I also
bought my
36gig Seagate 15K drives (U320 scsi 80 pin) there as well for about $600 bucks
each.

DDR RAM isn't terribly expensive, but I haven't priced it for a 533mhz FSB since
I don't
have one of those here to deal with.  For my 400mhz FSB box, 1 gig was not that
expensive
although I don't have the quote in front of me to produce an exact price.  But I
don't generally
buy third-party memory, it can be _way_ problematic.



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