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Subject: Re: For Bob Hyatt

Author: Charles Worthington

Date: 11:25:43 02/18/03

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On February 18, 2003 at 13:55:15, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On February 18, 2003 at 12:53:14, Charles Worthington wrote:
>
>>On February 18, 2003 at 12:02:36, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On February 17, 2003 at 23:51:46, Charles Worthington wrote:
>>>
>>>>Bob please tell me that I didn't just spend 18,900$ on this Dual 3.06 xeon
>>>>ststem for no reason...I certainly hope there will be a significant performance
>>>>increase over the amd 2400mp and xp. The fastest AMD on playchess pulls around
>>>>2300 kns with deep fritz 7. I had hoped with dual 3.06 xeons and the new intel
>>>>E7505 chipset i would exceed 3000 kNs. Was this unreasonable of me to expect
>>>>this much speed?
>>>
>>>
>>>I hope you didn't really mean "18,900 dollars".
>>>
>>>Current prices are:
>>>
>>>dual 2.8xeon + chassis + 2gb RAM, plus 2 x 36 gig U320 15K scsi drives, plus the
>>>usual HD power supply, etc, for under $4,000.  You mentioned 146 gig scsi
>>>drives.
>>>I bought three of those for my new ftp machine (there are no 15K 146 gig SCSI
>>>drives that I am aware of so you take a rotational latency performance hit by
>>>backing
>>>off to 10K) and paid just under $1,000 each at MicroWarehouse.
>>>
>>>If you meant 8,900, that is closer to reality, although it seems high to me
>>>looking at
>>>dell prices.
>>>
>>>I can't answer the speed issue with respect to fritz.  Crafty on my dual 2.8
>>>runs at about
>>>2.5M nodes per second.  This is with the quad-pumped 100mhz (400mhz claimed)
>>>FSB.
>>>Newer xeons are quad-pumped 133mhz (533mhz claimed) and should be even faster.
>>>I'd
>>>suspect Crafty might get close to 3M on that machine, in a position where it
>>>gets 2.5M on
>>>mine.  I have no idea whether fritz is faster or slower in raw NPS however...
>>My mistake...the drives are 10,000 RPM BOB but the price quote is correct. I
>>bought the machine with all available options including the 4GB RAM and filled
>>all hard drive bays with the largest drives. The biggest expense though was the
>>memory. around 4 thousand if i remember right
>
>
>OK.  I haven't tried to run a configuration like that thru dell recently.  I
>generally try to
>buy a complete system from them, less the hard drives which I can generally find
>elsewhere
>at a significantly lower price.  Since they are hot-swappable, it takes four
>screws to mount
>the drive on the "drive sled" and you slide it in and run, no jumpers or
>anything as the
>backplane has that hard-coded for each slot.
>
>10K 146 gig drives are just under $1,000 at MicroWarehouse, as I said.  I also
>bought my
>36gig Seagate 15K drives (U320 scsi 80 pin) there as well for about $600 bucks
>each.
>
>DDR RAM isn't terribly expensive, but I haven't priced it for a 533mhz FSB since
>I don't
>have one of those here to deal with.  For my 400mhz FSB box, 1 gig was not that
>expensive
>although I don't have the quote in front of me to produce an exact price.  But I
>don't generally
>buy third-party memory, it can be _way_ problematic.

In all honesty Bob I ordered the system with all accessories because I did not
wish to go through the hassle of upgrading later. So, essentially, I just
stuffed everything I could find into the box to be done with it. I am a stock
broker and I also use the system for my business so the extra hard disk space
will come in handy. The tax write off will come in handy too next year. In 1 MB
DIMMS though the DDR266 is in the one thousand dollar neighborhood buying it
from Dell. I probably paid way too much but I wasn't really shopping around for
price and I have gotten excellent service from Dell in the past so I decided to
stick with them.



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