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Subject: Re: Hyper-Threading Technology from Intel-to Hype or Not to Hype?

Author: Matt Taylor

Date: 23:58:59 03/07/03

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On March 06, 2003 at 11:18:22, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 06, 2003 at 00:19:54, Keith Evans wrote:
>
>>On March 05, 2003 at 22:41:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On March 05, 2003 at 20:10:56, Keith Evans wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 15:09:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 14:46:18, Keith Evans wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 11:34:39, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 10:21:32, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Your data is simply wrong.  The xeon core has _not_ changed from 2.8ghz to 3.06
>>>>>>>ghz,
>>>>>>>and I have no idea why you want to supply your "disinformation" that it has.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We have four of these on the way (dual 3.06 dell 650s) for faculty.  They have
>>>>>>>shipped
>>>>>>>(2/28) so they should be here any time.  I'll run the tests and post the results
>>>>>>>to further
>>>>>>>debunk this "myth" that 3.06's are different...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What is the difference between a 3.06 GHz P4 and a 3.06 GHz Xeon?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not a whole lot, other than the xeons have the necessary hardware for multiple
>>>>>processor
>>>>>configurations.  IE the ability for each to invalidate pieces of the cache based
>>>>>on activity on
>>>>>the other processor.
>>>>
>>>>At Dell you can buy dual processor P4 systems. How are they handling the
>>>>multiprocessor configurations compared to a Xeon? Is there a performance
>>>>hit? Are they really Xeons and not P4s?
>>>
>>>What machine?  We have bought several 650's and they are xeon-based.  My
>>>2600 server platform is also xeon-based.
>>>
>>>Tell me what you are looking at and I'll poke around Dell...
>>
>>Now that I'm looking again I can't find them. Which means that it must have been
>>a figment of my imagination, and you're right about the multiple processor
>>stuff. I'm actually quite glad to be wrong about that because otherwise I would
>>be very confused... Sorry about that.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Also there are xeons and xeon-MP versions.  The MP
>>>>>versions are
>>>>>supposedly the only ones capable of running in 4-way and up boxes.  What the
>>>>>differences are
>>>>>I really have not taken the time to discover...
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh yes.  There is one significant difference.  Price.  :)
>>>>
>>>>Has anyone run crafty on an MP system? Any idea how a 2 GHz MP would compare to
>>>>a 3 GHz Xeon?
>>>
>>>
>>>I have run it on a 4-way 2ghz box.  It is faster than my dual 2.8, but then
>>>it is _way_ more expensive as well as the 2ghz xeons (MP certified) only come
>>>in 2mb L2 cache versions and each CPU is selling for $4K or so.  Makes the
>>>machine _very_ expensive.
>>
>>I might be interested in such a box for running ASIC simulations so cost
>>wouldn't be an issue. I think that a dual MP box could be had for under $15k at
>>Dell which isn't bad compared to the cost of the software that I would be
>>running on it. The large cache might be a huge win - the 512k Xeon cache
>>definitely helped.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Keith
>
>
>When you say "dual MP" I assume you mean dual xeons but with huge L2?  I haven't
>tried
>to check, but I would suspect it might not work.  There is something in the back
>of my mind
>that the MP xeons have one extra pin, but that might be a faulty recollection.
>But if it is
>true, it would mean that you couldn't swap a couple of 2MB L2 xeons into a box
>like mine.
>
>I think this is mentioned somewhere on the Intel web site.  I ran across it when
>trying to figure
>out what I wanted to buy when I got my dual.

There are 503-pin Xeons and 504-pin Xeons. I don't know what the difference is,
but I know some have 1 extra pin.

-Matt



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