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Subject: Re: Hyper-Threading Technology from Intel-to Hype or Not to Hype?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:18:22 03/06/03

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On March 06, 2003 at 00:19:54, Keith Evans wrote:

>On March 05, 2003 at 22:41:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 05, 2003 at 20:10:56, Keith Evans wrote:
>>
>>>On March 05, 2003 at 15:09:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 14:46:18, Keith Evans wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 11:34:39, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 10:21:32, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your data is simply wrong.  The xeon core has _not_ changed from 2.8ghz to 3.06
>>>>>>ghz,
>>>>>>and I have no idea why you want to supply your "disinformation" that it has.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We have four of these on the way (dual 3.06 dell 650s) for faculty.  They have
>>>>>>shipped
>>>>>>(2/28) so they should be here any time.  I'll run the tests and post the results
>>>>>>to further
>>>>>>debunk this "myth" that 3.06's are different...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>What is the difference between a 3.06 GHz P4 and a 3.06 GHz Xeon?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not a whole lot, other than the xeons have the necessary hardware for multiple
>>>>processor
>>>>configurations.  IE the ability for each to invalidate pieces of the cache based
>>>>on activity on
>>>>the other processor.
>>>
>>>At Dell you can buy dual processor P4 systems. How are they handling the
>>>multiprocessor configurations compared to a Xeon? Is there a performance
>>>hit? Are they really Xeons and not P4s?
>>
>>What machine?  We have bought several 650's and they are xeon-based.  My
>>2600 server platform is also xeon-based.
>>
>>Tell me what you are looking at and I'll poke around Dell...
>
>Now that I'm looking again I can't find them. Which means that it must have been
>a figment of my imagination, and you're right about the multiple processor
>stuff. I'm actually quite glad to be wrong about that because otherwise I would
>be very confused... Sorry about that.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>Also there are xeons and xeon-MP versions.  The MP
>>>>versions are
>>>>supposedly the only ones capable of running in 4-way and up boxes.  What the
>>>>differences are
>>>>I really have not taken the time to discover...
>>>>
>>>>Oh yes.  There is one significant difference.  Price.  :)
>>>
>>>Has anyone run crafty on an MP system? Any idea how a 2 GHz MP would compare to
>>>a 3 GHz Xeon?
>>
>>
>>I have run it on a 4-way 2ghz box.  It is faster than my dual 2.8, but then
>>it is _way_ more expensive as well as the 2ghz xeons (MP certified) only come
>>in 2mb L2 cache versions and each CPU is selling for $4K or so.  Makes the
>>machine _very_ expensive.
>
>I might be interested in such a box for running ASIC simulations so cost
>wouldn't be an issue. I think that a dual MP box could be had for under $15k at
>Dell which isn't bad compared to the cost of the software that I would be
>running on it. The large cache might be a huge win - the 512k Xeon cache
>definitely helped.
>
>Regards,
>Keith


When you say "dual MP" I assume you mean dual xeons but with huge L2?  I haven't
tried
to check, but I would suspect it might not work.  There is something in the back
of my mind
that the MP xeons have one extra pin, but that might be a faulty recollection.
But if it is
true, it would mean that you couldn't swap a couple of 2MB L2 xeons into a box
like mine.

I think this is mentioned somewhere on the Intel web site.  I ran across it when
trying to figure
out what I wanted to buy when I got my dual.



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