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Subject: Re: Hyper-Threading Technology from Intel-to Hype or Not to Hype?

Author: Keith Evans

Date: 21:19:54 03/05/03

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On March 05, 2003 at 22:41:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On March 05, 2003 at 20:10:56, Keith Evans wrote:
>
>>On March 05, 2003 at 15:09:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On March 05, 2003 at 14:46:18, Keith Evans wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 11:34:39, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 05, 2003 at 10:21:32, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Your data is simply wrong.  The xeon core has _not_ changed from 2.8ghz to 3.06
>>>>>ghz,
>>>>>and I have no idea why you want to supply your "disinformation" that it has.
>>>>>
>>>>>We have four of these on the way (dual 3.06 dell 650s) for faculty.  They have
>>>>>shipped
>>>>>(2/28) so they should be here any time.  I'll run the tests and post the results
>>>>>to further
>>>>>debunk this "myth" that 3.06's are different...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>What is the difference between a 3.06 GHz P4 and a 3.06 GHz Xeon?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>Not a whole lot, other than the xeons have the necessary hardware for multiple
>>>processor
>>>configurations.  IE the ability for each to invalidate pieces of the cache based
>>>on activity on
>>>the other processor.
>>
>>At Dell you can buy dual processor P4 systems. How are they handling the
>>multiprocessor configurations compared to a Xeon? Is there a performance
>>hit? Are they really Xeons and not P4s?
>
>What machine?  We have bought several 650's and they are xeon-based.  My
>2600 server platform is also xeon-based.
>
>Tell me what you are looking at and I'll poke around Dell...

Now that I'm looking again I can't find them. Which means that it must have been
a figment of my imagination, and you're right about the multiple processor
stuff. I'm actually quite glad to be wrong about that because otherwise I would
be very confused... Sorry about that.
>
>
>>
>>>Also there are xeons and xeon-MP versions.  The MP
>>>versions are
>>>supposedly the only ones capable of running in 4-way and up boxes.  What the
>>>differences are
>>>I really have not taken the time to discover...
>>>
>>>Oh yes.  There is one significant difference.  Price.  :)
>>
>>Has anyone run crafty on an MP system? Any idea how a 2 GHz MP would compare to
>>a 3 GHz Xeon?
>
>
>I have run it on a 4-way 2ghz box.  It is faster than my dual 2.8, but then
>it is _way_ more expensive as well as the 2ghz xeons (MP certified) only come
>in 2mb L2 cache versions and each CPU is selling for $4K or so.  Makes the
>machine _very_ expensive.

I might be interested in such a box for running ASIC simulations so cost
wouldn't be an issue. I think that a dual MP box could be had for under $15k at
Dell which isn't bad compared to the cost of the software that I would be
running on it. The large cache might be a huge win - the 512k Xeon cache
definitely helped.

Regards,
Keith



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