Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:08:17 03/18/03
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On March 18, 2003 at 16:57:17, Brian Richardson wrote: >On March 18, 2003 at 16:31:58, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On March 18, 2003 at 15:17:30, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On March 18, 2003 at 14:04:56, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On March 17, 2003 at 19:49:30, leonid wrote: >>>> >>>>>On March 17, 2003 at 19:30:35, Dann Corbit wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On March 17, 2003 at 19:17:38, leonid wrote: >>>>>>[snip] >>>>>>>It is truly sad that this kind of chip (Alpha) went to its end! Still, other >>>>>>>fact of migration to the new Itanium chip is very positive. This signify that >>>>>>>Intel's 64 chip had certain success and its quantity production is coming in >>>>>>>real. Then prices cuts should become tangible very soon. >>>>>> >>>>>>Intel is in no hurry to get the Itanic floating, and has said so themselves. >>>>>> >>>>>>Look for AMD to beat them out the door with cost effective volumes by a >>>>>>landslide. >>>>>> >>>>>>Microsoft also prefers the AMD approach, since all the old software will run >>>>>>without any modification. >>>>> >>>>>To be sincere I do know that AMD chip will be more accessible for me to buy but >>>>>Intel's chip more attractive to program. Intel's 128 registers do make me dream >>>>>without even mentioning its new architecture. Learning completely new Assembler >>>>>will be also interesting thing to do. >>>> >>>>$65000 for a 4 processor 1Ghz I2 box. >>>> >>>>Or if you buy 1 chip in a small 4 x 4 centimeter paper box it will be 'only >>>>$10000' or so. >>>> >>>>And that price won't get cheaper at all >>>> >>>>So forget itanium2 unless you have access to a supercomputer that has them. >>> >>>Pricing information (cheapest I could find): >>>http://www.hp.com/workstations/products/itanium/zx6000/summary.html >> >> >>Not bad. Dual for just over $6,000 would be a blast for a certain chess >>program. :) > >I have a dual Itanium2 1GHz system. Perhaps you forgot my earlier post. >With the optimizing compilers (tried both Intel and Microsoft), it runs >Tinker at about 2GHz Pentium speed (x86 binary code at only 30%). > >Has anyone been able to reproduce your (Eugene's?) results showing MUCH faster >Itanium2 performance? > >Brian > >PS No integrated Visual Studio environment or debugger, working with command >line interfaces, and so far pretty disappointing. The numbers from Intel were good, but they were on a single-cpu Itanium-2 machine. Eugene's were also from a single-cpu Itanium-2 if I recall correctly. One issue might be the compiler. Eugene obviously has the latest since he is in the compiler group at MS. Intel may be using a beta MS compiler or their own, I don't know.
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