Author: Mark Young
Date: 08:38:59 10/07/98
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On October 07, 1998 at 09:49:33, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On October 07, 1998 at 05:04:15, Jouni Uski wrote: > >>On October 07, 1998 at 04:31:48, Bruce Moreland wrote: >> >>> >>>On October 07, 1998 at 04:23:59, odell hall wrote: >>> >>>>I am interested in knowing whatever Rebel 10 will top the swedish rating list. >>>>And if Die Hard Sceptics such as Robert Hyatt will concede that Rebel 10 Is >>>>indeed Grandmaster Strength? >>> >>>The question is not whether Rebel or Hiarcs or Fritz or any of the others is of >>>GM strength, but of whether they all are. >>> >>>bruce >> >>And the answer is: YES. > > >If the answer is "YES", please produce some 40/2hr games where the >programs have beaten (or broken even) with GM players. The last four >games I personally watched ended up with the GM's ahead 3-1 in points, >and the last time I checked my Elo performance rating for that, I get >GM-200 for the rating... which is still in the 2400 range, where I've >said they are all along... > >Not action chess. Not blitz chess. But real tournament chess. > >When I see real evidence this is wrong I'll certainly change my mind. >But the evidence has to be doing respectably vs GM players, not trashing >some FM/IM players... There's a difference.. And the games have to be >40 moves in two hours or similar time controls... Rebel 9 I guess is the best evidence I can think of that todays programs on todays computers are better then 2500 elo.(if thats the standard) At Ageon 97 Rebel 9 should have gone 4-0 Vs the IM's, but did score 3.5-.5. And did score 1-1 vs the GM's. No the games were not at 40/2 but it was slow enough to be called real tournament chess I think. Then kick in Rebel 10's score of .5-1.5 playing GM Anand a Super GM at 40/2hr. And remember GM Anand has not allowed a draw from any IM player over the past few years. If the CCC post I read was correct in this fact. I think this shows that todays programs are better then IM's. And by default the only thing better then an IM is a GM. Ok the evidence is thin....but I took my best shot:)
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