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Subject: Re: Ooops

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 15:01:57 06/19/03

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On June 19, 2003 at 17:17:15, Tom Kerrigan wrote:

>On June 19, 2003 at 16:43:52, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>I take the comment as what I said.  The original position 2 had 8 pieces.  He
>>complained about the evaluation.  Even taking three pawns off it _still_ was
>>wrong.
>
>What in the WORLD are you talking about?? What article are you referring to? I'm
>going to this URL, which is at the top of this thread:
>
>http://www.clubkasparov.ru/521772350.html?462691585533321
>
>What do you mean, "original position 2"? Has the article changed?

"original position 2": the position given in the article.

"modified position 2":  the position you get if you "remove three pawns
as suggested by the author."

Was that too hard to understand???



>? Because the
>current position 2 has 7 pieces (not 8) and if you take the pawns off (for what
>reason?), you're left with KB vs. KB, which you'd think Junior and Fritz would
>evaluate as a draw, and the couple sentences of discussion about it don't talk
>about databases at ALL.
>
>-Tom


On the other hand, you are correct.  I meant position 1.  Not position 2.

So in the above replace 2 with 1 in both places.  And we are back to the
point.  Removing three of the pawns produces a bogus evaluation.  Because
the tables were _not_ working.  He _should_ have known that before writing
an article and publishing it.

If you remove three pawns, it will be in the 5 piece tables.  If he really
had them.  He implied he did.  But he didn't.  And that leaves out the fact
that _some_ programs can get this one right without tables, even with the
original 8 pieces on the board.  Mine can, for example.

There is little excuse for saying something doesn't work, when it doesn't
work because of a user error.  Publishing it is even worse.



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