Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 22:35:11 06/22/03
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On June 22, 2003 at 21:18:13, Luis Smith wrote: >>I can only give you the advise to first look at the games yourself before making >>such statements. >>First of all Nemeth plays obviously on a very slow Computer. > >Back when the Aegoeon was still going on, computers used to beat GM's all the >time on what was then fast hardware, now its stone age hardware. Because they knew (almost) nothing about Computer Chess. I played myself a few 10 min games against the old programs on Athlon 1.8 GHz some time ago. I won most of the games, some ended in a draw because I spoiled them in time trouble. Its not a big deal. I played all the games with white and I am aware that it is much easier to get a favourable position (closed) with the white pieces. One example: [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "2003.06.03"] [Round "?"] [White "Drexel, Michael"] [Black "Genius 6"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "C47"] [Annotator ""] [PlyCount "129"] [EventDate "2003.??.??"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. a3 d5 5. Bb5 d4 6. Ne2 Qd6 7. d3 Bg4 8. Ng3 a6 9. Bc4 Na5 10. Ba2 Be7 11. h3 Bc8 12. O-O O-O 13. Nh2 c5 14. f4 Nc6 15. f5 b5 16. Nh5 Bb7 17. Nxf6+ Bxf6 18. g4 Qd8 19. Nf3 Be7 20. g5 Kh8 21. h4 f6 22. g6 Qe8 23. h5 h6 24. Nh2 Qd7 25. Ng4 Rfb8 26. Nxh6 gxh6 27. Bxh6 c4 28. Bd2 Rc8 29. Rf2 Bd6 30. h6 Ne7 31. Qh5 Qe8 32. h7 Qf8 33. Bh6 Nxg6 34. fxg6 Qe7 35. Rg2 Rc7 36. Rf1 Rac8 37. g7+ Qxg7 38. Bxg7+ Rxg7 39. Rxg7 Kxg7 40. Rxf6 Kxf6 41. h8=Q+ Rxh8 42. Qxh8+ Kg6 43. dxc4 Bxe4 44. cxb5 axb5 45. Qe8+ Kg5 46. Qe6 Bb8 47. Qg8+ Kf4 48. Qxb8 Bxc2 49. Qxb5 Bf5 50. Qf1+ Kg5 51. a4 e4 52. a5 e3 53. a6 Be4 54. Bb1 e2 55. Qxe2 Bxb1 56. a7 Bf5 57. a8=Q Kf6 58. Qaf3 Kg6 59. Qeg2+ Kf6 60. Qgg4 Ke7 61. Qfxf5 d3 62. Qge4+ Kd8 63. Qfd5+ Kc7 64. Qc6+ Kb8 65. Qb7# 1-0 > > >>Do you know how long it takes for CM_SKR or Shredder 7.04 (and even Fritz 8) to >>avoid 14...Kxf7? on a mere AMD XP 2000+ ? >>Not 1 second ! >>I have purchased CA 7 not long ago and therefore all Chesstiger versions >>12 - 15 including Gambit Tiger I,II and III. >>Chesstiger has very often problems with King safety. >>BTW Gambit Tiger has no problems in this position at all. >>It takes Chesstiger 14 about 30 seconds to avoid 14...Kxf7 on that machine. >> >> I think that the strongest human-human player, vs. the strongest >>>machine-machine player would mean nothing. Some Grandmaster's styles are more >>>fit to play against computers i.e. Karpov. I think he would have proved a much >>>better challenge than Kasparov. >> >>You can definitely NOT beat a program like Deep Junior 8 in a match with unsound >>chess. >>He would have had no chance at all in a match against the Deep Junior Team with >>his style of play. > >I believe that he would have had much more of a chance against Deep Junior than >Kasparov did. That may be my opinion, but I certainly think he could cook up >some interesting positions This discussion is only theoretical of course. Nobody (except some Computer Chess enthusiasts) know who Nemeth is. Everyone knows who Kasparov is. If you would know ALL games he ever played against the programs you would certainly think something else. His approach simply doesnt work ALWAYS. I think GM Altermann would cook up some interesting positions for Deep Junior 8. You seem to forget also that almost all his posted games are played with white pieces. Unfortunately you have to play also with black pieces in Chess. Michael > >> >>Michael
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