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Subject: Re: And now w/ 64 MB Hash

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 01:06:00 06/27/03

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On June 27, 2003 at 02:25:54, Aaron Gordon wrote:

>On June 27, 2003 at 01:58:45, Peter Stayne wrote:
>
>>On June 27, 2003 at 01:42:20, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>>
>>>On June 27, 2003 at 01:27:19, Peter Stayne wrote:
>>>
>>>>>In my tests my Athlon XP 2.5GHz beats a P4-3.38GHz, it's close but it does.
>>>>
>>>I think Carmack is partial to Intel, because he hasn't in all of the Quake3
>>>patches done a quick fix in his code, making SSE work in Quake3. Quake3 treats
>>>the Athlon like a K6 and tries to use the non-existant/broken 3DNow! code. Also,
>>>he wouldn't allow AMD to make an official patch out of my DLLs. Why? One can
>>>only wonder...
>>
>>The last part of your remark here certainly was a business decision. Those DLL's
>>were made by a 3rd party. First off, id would have to negotiate ownership rights
>>for the programmer's code. Secondly, even if he were to give them to id for
>>free, the moment you include them in an official patch, you're bound to support
>>it. This requires that id test them thoroughly, analyze them for issues that
>>would need to be addressed. Also, we can't know if it was a 'quick fix' or not,
>>perhaps it remained broken because it wasn't a quick fix. Thing is, with Q3,
>>most cpu's of the day pulled >60fps with a good GPU, whereas there were quite a
>>few GPU's that weren't pulling their weight, which is why I think he focused
>>more on GPU performance. He has remained faithfully honest and reliable in the
>>nVidia vs ATI wars.
>>
>
>The source code wasn't modified in any way, only compiled with profiling with
>the Intel C compiler. So all of the original code remained as such, and wasn't
>changed. Even so Carmack still did not allow it.
>
>I'm pretty sure getting the SSE support enabled on the Athlon XP/MP is no big
>deal, it's there for the P3 and P4 (P4 gets detected as a P3, which has SSE, and
>that gets enabled). However ID could just change the cpu id detection (very
>simple) to detect an Athlon, and then use the pre-existing (and working) SSE
>code.

Just because Carmack doesn't do something to help AMD doesn't mean he's partial
to Intel.

-Tom



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