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Subject: Re: Why I often visit the CCC

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 05:49:46 07/03/03

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Hi Chris,

I do not really understand why you are so disappointed. I think most of the
answers were fair and helpful. Why bother with a few posts which critize you in
a way you would call unfair? Enjoy the helpful postings and simply ignore the
others, or discuss with them and try to persuade them if you like to do so.

The CCC elects its moderators and with the moderators a certain moderation
philosophy. Every registered user can participate. So the moderation philosophy
reflects the majority of the forum members. I personally are very glad that here
are heat and tough discussion allowed. In Germany there all chess-forums heavily
moderated and every intersting but heat discussion is deleted. Quite
disappointing...

regards Joachim

P.S.: I find your meaning about DS quite unbalanced and provocative.
Nevertheless I found it quite intersting to read your opinion but I think other
should post there opinions too, right?

On July 03, 2003 at 01:11:18, Chris Kantack wrote:

>A few days ago I posted a few quick comments on my opinion of the Deep Sjeng
>chess program.  I've been really disappointed with the program and was
>interested in getting other opinions.  I knew this message forum had a lot of
>"hard core" chess hackers.  A posting here, I knew would give me some feedback
>from those with a very different point-of-view than my own.
>
>Indeed, a few of you had extremely good postings which I found most informative
>and useful.
>
>Most of the feedback was downright vicious.  Unfortunately a characteristic I
>see too often in Computer Chess Club (CCC)postings.
>
>In the past, as I come across people (in other parts of the 'net) asking
>questions regarding AMD Opteron vs. Itanium, multiprocessor chess engine issues,
>and/or other "high-end" chess engine questions, I've often recommended that they
>visit the CCC.
>
>However, I do so with reservations.   Far too often I see many members in this
>newsgroup do their best to ridicule a new poster or discount anyone who doesn't
>have the latest and greatest chess engine/processor combination.
>
>In my opinion, this discussion forum is in danger of devolving into just a small
>group of hard-core, hacking, curmudgeons.  Not a very pleasent place to be.
>
>It's too bad too.   This message board has been a great source of information
>containing discussions you won't find anywhere else on the 'Net.  But far too
>often, the acrimony that is so prevalent, destroys the experience.  (Indeed I've
>talked with others, in the chess computer community, who have long abandoned
>coming to this message forum because of similar experiences.)
>
>Some of you will no doubt say: "If you can't take the heat, get of the kitchen."
>Indeed, I often leave the CCC for months at a time in disgust at what transpires
>here.   Perhaps one day I will leave for good.
>
>But why does it have to be this way?   Why not treat new posters and other
>casual visitors with a little respect?  The CCC could really grow if more of its
>members would show a little courtesy.
>
>I'm a regular reader and poster to rec.games.chess.computer (an unmoderated
>newsgroup).  Yet I find rec.games.chess.computer to be a far more civil and
>welcoming community than the CCC!
>
>Once again I've decided to take a few months off from even visiting this message
>board.  This message forum has the potential to be one heck of a great place to
>visit. If only more of its posters could show a little civility.....
>
>
>Chris Kantack
>http://home.earthlink.net/~kantack/lcdchess/home.htm



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