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Subject: Re: how good/bad is the opteron?

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 10:38:14 07/09/03

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On July 08, 2003 at 16:53:10, Rajen Gupta wrote:

>On July 08, 2003 at 16:43:02, Russell Reagan wrote:
>
>>On July 08, 2003 at 16:16:00, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>>
>>>they didn't
>>
>>Thanks. That's all I needed to know.
>>
>>
>>>and i am talking of the chip's overall performance as most
>>>end-users dont buy a chip for its chess performance only: (even on this forum of
>>>die-hard computer chess fanatics its quite probable that there are more intel
>>>based systems being used) if this so-called pentium killer does not measure up
>>>(and i have a horrible feeling it won't), it will be the end of AMD as we know
>>>it; for the last 2 yrs they have been telling us:
>>>
>>>"never mind the athlon; it is only  stop gap; wait for the hammer; it is going
>>>to smash intel;" and finally after endless delays it does show up it appears to
>>>be almost geting a smashing itself!
>>
>>You do realize that "most end-users who aren't interested in computer chess that
>>are going to use the Opteron" aren't interested in 3D games either, right? The
>>Opteron is a server chip.
>>
>>So I guess all of those web server admins who were planning on playing 3D games
>>on the companies web server should choose the Pentium 4. Good point.
>>
>>I also wonder if they recompiled every benchmark they ran for the Opteron with a
>>compiler that can take advantage of it's newer features. If so, it would be
>>interesting to know where they got the source code for some of that stuff, and
>>what compiler they used. They made sure to mention that they tuned everything
>>for top performance on the P4 benchmarks. If they didn't do the same for the
>>Opteron (which seems unlikely, if it's possible at all), then the benchmark is
>>worthless. This wouldn't be the least bit suprising, as you are always quick to
>>find all of the benchmarks that show Intel chips as being faster and post them
>>here.
>>
>>
>>>if AMD disappears, we will then be subject to intel's monopoly which will be a
>>>horrible thing for us all: hence my disappointment with AMD: always too little
>>>and too late!
>>
>>I doubt the sincerity of this statement, as you take every opportunity you can
>>to promote Intel and bash AMD.
>
>i used to take every opportunity to promote AMD and bash intel when AMD
>performed; and they did perform well all the way from the thunderbird upto 1800+
>when their chips clobbered intel in most benchmarks, besides having a huge lead
>in in running chess software: thereafter they gradually slipped and for the last
>year it has been a rout. its not my fault that this has happened; its just that
>intel gritted their teeth and got on with what was necessary to get the job done
>while AMD preferred to rest on their laurels :-(

Bad strategy on AMD's part... they should have made a 64 bit CPU with their
existing process before tying the future of the company to SOI...

-Tom



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