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Subject: Re: how good/bad is the opteron?

Author: Rajen Gupta

Date: 13:53:10 07/08/03

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On July 08, 2003 at 16:43:02, Russell Reagan wrote:

>On July 08, 2003 at 16:16:00, Rajen Gupta wrote:
>
>>they didn't
>
>Thanks. That's all I needed to know.
>
>
>>and i am talking of the chip's overall performance as most
>>end-users dont buy a chip for its chess performance only: (even on this forum of
>>die-hard computer chess fanatics its quite probable that there are more intel
>>based systems being used) if this so-called pentium killer does not measure up
>>(and i have a horrible feeling it won't), it will be the end of AMD as we know
>>it; for the last 2 yrs they have been telling us:
>>
>>"never mind the athlon; it is only  stop gap; wait for the hammer; it is going
>>to smash intel;" and finally after endless delays it does show up it appears to
>>be almost geting a smashing itself!
>
>You do realize that "most end-users who aren't interested in computer chess that
>are going to use the Opteron" aren't interested in 3D games either, right? The
>Opteron is a server chip.
>
>So I guess all of those web server admins who were planning on playing 3D games
>on the companies web server should choose the Pentium 4. Good point.
>
>I also wonder if they recompiled every benchmark they ran for the Opteron with a
>compiler that can take advantage of it's newer features. If so, it would be
>interesting to know where they got the source code for some of that stuff, and
>what compiler they used. They made sure to mention that they tuned everything
>for top performance on the P4 benchmarks. If they didn't do the same for the
>Opteron (which seems unlikely, if it's possible at all), then the benchmark is
>worthless. This wouldn't be the least bit suprising, as you are always quick to
>find all of the benchmarks that show Intel chips as being faster and post them
>here.
>
>
>>if AMD disappears, we will then be subject to intel's monopoly which will be a
>>horrible thing for us all: hence my disappointment with AMD: always too little
>>and too late!
>
>I doubt the sincerity of this statement, as you take every opportunity you can
>to promote Intel and bash AMD.

i used to take every opportunity to promote AMD and bash intel when AMD
performed; and they did perform well all the way from the thunderbird upto 1800+
when their chips clobbered intel in most benchmarks, besides having a huge lead
in in running chess software: thereafter they gradually slipped and for the last
year it has been a rout. its not my fault that this has happened; its just that
intel gritted their teeth and got on with what was necessary to get the job done
while AMD preferred to rest on their laurels :-(



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