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Subject: Re: Problem with TT

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 10:19:38 07/11/03

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On July 11, 2003 at 11:50:20, Grzegorz Sidorowicz wrote:

>>Hi
>>
>>Probably a long shot, but my program used to be able to solve this position, but
>>then after some mods I noticed it failed to find a1b1.
>>In my case the explanation was that Null moving was accidentally being switched
>>on when it should have realised that there were no major pieces left and
>>switched Null moving off.
>>
>>Does you program do Null moving ? If it does, try switching it off and see if it
>>makes a difference ?
>
>Without null moves my program also can't find solution

A couple of points.  First, you ought to get to depth=25 _instantly_.  You
can try this position on Crafty to get a feel for how you are doing.  I'd
immediately inspect the hash probe and hash store code _carefully_ as it
appears to be broken.

For comparison, Crafty gets to ply=35 in 7 seconds on my PIII/750 laptop.
It finds Kb1 at around depth=18/19 depending on hash size.  If you don't
find it by depth=26 you have a horrible bug.  And if you don't get to depth
26 instantly (my same laptop takes .5 seconds to get there) you also probably
have a bad hashing bug.

are you sure you are handling the bounds correctly when you store them and
then look them up.  Are you checking the draft right, using >= rather than
> in the comparison?  Etc.





>Output below:
>depth time    nodes       score   variation
>-------------------------------------------
>1     0       2           130     a1a2
>2     0       18          130     a1a2 a7a6
>3     0       48          105     a1a2 a7b6 a2a1
>3     0       92          109     a1b2 a7b6 b2a1
>4     0       219         113     a1b2 a7b6 b2c3 b6a6
>5     0       428         113     a1b2 a7b6 b2c3 b6c7 c3b3
>6     0       889         114     a1b2 a7b6 b2c3 b6c7 c3c4 c7b7
>7     0       1874        114     a1b2 a7b6 b2c3 b6c7 c3c4 c7b6 c4b3
>8     0       5151        113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7
>9     0       11714       113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3c4
>10    0       22903       113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3c4 c7b6 c4d3
>b6c7
>11    0       48198       113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3c4 c7b6 c4d3
>b6c7 d3c3
>12    0       100795      113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3c4 c7b6 c4d3
>b6c7 d3c3 c7b7
>13    0       174559      113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3c4 c7b6 c4d3
>b6c7 d3c3 c7b6 c3b3
>14    0       320963      113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3a2 c7c8 a2a1
>c8b8 a1b2 b8c7 b2c3 c7b7
>15    1       603424      113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3a2 c7c8 a2a1
>c8b8 a1b2 b8c7 b2c3 c7b6 c3b3
>16    3       1311780     113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3a2 c7c8 a2a1
>c8b8 a1b2 b8b7 b2c3 b7c7 c3d3 c7b7
>17    6       2533249     113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3a2 c7c8 a2a1
>c8b8 a1b2 b8b7 b2c3 b7a6 c3d3 a6b6 d3c2
>18    18      6864512     113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3a2 c7c8 a2a1
>c8b8 a1b2 b8a8 b2c2 a8b7 c2b3
>19    37      13493689    113     a1b2 a7b8 b2c3 b8b7 c3b3 b7c7 b3a2 c7c8 a2a1
>c8b8 a1b2 b8a8 b2c2 a8b7 c2b3
>20    2.7     49017631    113     a1b2 a7a8 b2c2 a8b8 c2b1 b8a8 b1a2 a8a7 a2a1
>a7a6 a1b1 a6b6 b1a2 b6a6 a2a1 a6a7
>21    3.57    88641036    113     a1b2 a7a8 b2c2 a8b8 c2b1 b8a8 b1a2 a8a7 a2a1
>a7a6 a1b1 a6a7 b1c2 a7a8 c2d2 a8b8 d2c3



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