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Subject: Re: Interesting comp vs comp position

Author: George Tsavdaris

Date: 15:24:13 07/15/03

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On July 15, 2003 at 17:47:23, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On July 15, 2003 at 16:07:44, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>
>>On July 15, 2003 at 15:21:17, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>Here is a position reached in a game on ICC between Crafty and an
>>>unnamed opponent:
>>>
>>>[D]8/2k2p2/7p/ppPK4/6P1/P6P/8/8 w 0 1
>>>
>>>This seems like a simple "distant passed pawn" idea where black's king isss
>>>closer to the remaining pawns after the queen-side pawns are all gone.  I'd
>>>hope not many would play c6 and lost instantly, but at least one commercial
>>>engine does.  Goes to show that _anything_ can happen in a comp vs comp
>>>game of chess.  :)
>>>
>>Deep Junior 8 makes ~4 minutes in a PIV 1500MHz to see c6 is losing and
>>it's the first choice, until it sees Ke5 or Ke4. So in time control of
>>120'/40+120'/40, in my computer, it would PROBABLY play the wrong move,
>>but in a fast Dual/Quad it wouldn't.
>
>     Amazing ... on my P4 1.8/48 MB hash, Junior8 single CPU just
>     requires 1 second to throw away the losing move c6. Below the
>     corresponding analysis:
>
>Neue Partie
>8/2k2p2/7p/ppPK4/6P1/P6P/8/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Junior 8:
>
>1.c6 b4 2.axb4 axb4 3.Kc4 Kxc6 4.Kxb4 Kd7
>  ²  (0.65)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
>  ³  (-0.30)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:00  4kN
>1.h4 a4 2.Kd4 Kc6 3.h5 f6 4.Ke4 Kxc5 5.Kf5 Kd5 6.Kxf6 Kd6
>  ²  (0.66)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:00  6kN
>  =  (-0.15)   Tiefe: 18   00:00:01  1216kN, tb=43
>1.c6 b4 2.axb4 axb4 3.Kc4 Kxc6 4.Kxb4 Kd5 5.Kc3 Ke4 6.Kc4 f6
>  =  (-0.04)   Tiefe: 18   00:00:01  1329kN, tb=63
>1.Ke4 Kd7 2.Ke5 Kc6 3.Kd4 Kb7
>  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 18   00:00:02  1688kN, tb=104
>  =  (0.00)   Tiefe: 30   00:03:51  133376kN, tb=107832
>
>(Utzinger, MyTown 15.07.2003)

This is more strange. Junior at infinite analysis mode makes indeed 4 minutes
to see it's losing and not play c6. But in game mode 120'/40+120'/40 for
example, it sees that c6 is bad in 52sec and plays Ke4 in 1:27. All these
in a PIV 1500 MHz with 64 Mib hash.
The analysis of Junior 8 seems different from Deep Junior 8 so i wonder why?
Maybe someone with Deep Junior 8 on a PIV 1.8 GHz can help giving the analysis.

Here is the Deep Junior's 8 analysis:

1.c5-c6 b5-b4 2.a3xb4 a5xb4
  ²  (0.65)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1.c5-c6 b5-b4 2.a3xb4 a5xb4 3.h3-h4
  ²  (0.66)   Depth: 6   00:00:00
1.c5-c6 b5-b4 2.a3xb4 a5xb4 3.Kd5-c4 Kc7xc6 4.Kc4xb4 Kc6-d7
  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  4kN
1.h3-h4 f7-f6 2.c5-c6 b5-b4 3.a3xb4 a5xb4 4.h4-h5
  ²  (0.66)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  4kN
1.h3-h4 Kc7-d7 2.c5-c6+ Kd7-c7 3.Kd5-c5 b5-b4 4.a3xb4 a5xb4 5.Kc5xb4 Kc7xc6
6.Kb4-c4
  ²  (0.53)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  32kN
1.h3-h4 f7-f6 2.h4-h5 Kc7-d7 3.c5-c6+ Kd7-c7 4.Kd5-c5 b5-b4 5.a3xb4 a5xb4
6.Kc5-d5 b4-b3
  ²  (0.39)   Depth: 15   00:00:00  223kN
1.h3-h4 a5-a4
  =  (-0.11)   Depth: 18   00:00:02  1520kN, tb=68
1.c5-c6 b5-b4 2.a3xb4 a5xb4 3.Kd5-c4 Kc7xc6 4.h3-h4 Kc6-d7 5.Kc4xb4 Kd7-c6
6.Kb4-c4
  =  (-0.08)   Depth: 18   00:00:03  1520kN, tb=81
1.c5-c6 b5-b4 2.a3xb4 a5xb4 3.Kd5-c4 Kc7xc6 4.Kc4xb4 Kc6-d5 5.Kb4-c3 h6-h5
6.g4xh5
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 21   00:00:05  2563kN, tb=299
1.c5-c6 b5-b4 2.a3xb4 a5xb4 3.Kd5-c4 Kc7xc6 4.Kc4xb4 Kc6-d5 5.Kb4-c3 h6-h5
6.g4xh5
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 24   00:00:13  6486kN, tb=1661
1.c5-c6 b5-b4 2.a3xb4 a5xb4 3.Kd5-c4 Kc7xc6 4.Kc4xb4 Kc6-d5 5.Kb4-c3 Kd5-e4
6.Kc3-c4 Ke4-f3 7.Kc4-d5 Kf3-g3 8.Kd5-e4 Kg3xh3 9.Ke4-f5
  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 27   00:00:52  24995kN, tb=10284
1.Kd5-e4 Kc7-c6 2.Ke4-d4 Kc6-d7 3.Kd4-e5 Kd7-c6
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 27   00:01:27  34195kN, tb=19092



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