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Subject: Re: getting insight

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 08:45:12 08/04/03

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Vincent,

Unfortunately, your tool does not prove that DLL is written in the assembler. Of
course it does not disprove it, too. All that it prove is that DLL does not
contain specific strings...

Thanks,
Eugene

On August 04, 2003 at 05:41:55, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On August 04, 2003 at 04:39:56, Bo Persson wrote:
>
>hi,
>
>it's not so difficult to get a look&feel for it.
>
>a 5 line tool of mine that just prints text out of binary files. so not a
>dissassembler at all.
>
>Kernel32.dll : nothing what i searched for
>winfax.dll   : nothing what i searched for
>gpedit.dll   :
>
>"normal program termination      R6009  - not enough space for environment   R6
>008  - not enough space for arguments     R6002  - floating point not loaded
>    Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library        Runtime Error!  Program:    ..
>. <program name unknown>          IsProcessorFeaturePresent   KERNEL32        "
>
>Do i need to spell it out?
>
>>On August 03, 2003 at 19:08:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>
>>>On August 03, 2003 at 16:52:17, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sorry, I'll be clearer this time:
>>>>
>>>>(Talking about claim that Windows kernel is written in the assembler)
>>>>
>>>>SARCASM ON:
>>>>
>>>>This is definitely so, especially if you take into account that NT/2k/XP
>>>>variants were commercially sold not only for x86, but for PowerPC, MIPS, Alpha,
>>>>and IA-64 CPUs. Of course MS wrote 5 kernels in the different assembler
>>>>languages...
>>>>
>>>>SARCASM OFF.
>>>>
>>>>Vincent is the only source from which I hear that fact. And if I have to choose
>>>>between Vincent's words and NT source code on one of my developer's machine,
>>>>I'll trust the later...
>>>
>>>So there is a C version too. Cool to know.
>>
>>Hey, Vincent, cool down. It was the Windows 95 series that was written
>>especially for the x86 (and DOS compatibility). The NT series of Windows has
>>always been written in C/C++, with a machine independent design. There are some
>>adaptions for different hardware architectures, like virtual memory and I/O, but
>>that is in a separate "hardware abstraction layer". I guess that might include
>>some assembly language, but its just a very small part of the entire system.
>>
>>>
>>>But for your notice, yes the released thing has major assembly parts in the
>>>kernel. Of course you don't know what the other divisions of microsoft are
>>>doing. I guess you are in the compiler division?
>>
>>So you don't think the compiler guys have access to the Windows and Office
>>source to test their compilers? Come on!
>>
>>
>>Bo Persson
>>bop2@telia.com



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