Author: Uri Blass
Date: 09:04:32 08/20/03
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On August 20, 2003 at 11:42:30, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>The question is if there is some proof that your book is superior. >> > >Tell me now if this statement is not a disqualification (Sorry, we must >*believe* that a cheap Blass declaration is the absoulete true). Do you really >know who is Jeroen Noomen? Do you have any idea? Yes I know He is the author of the book of Rebel ,Tiger and Deep sjeng. He is also a good chess player. > >>The question is if the top programs do better against strong amateurs when both >>sides use book and not when the sides play the nunn match. >> > >If you dont know it: the book is a component of a chess program. I dont know if >you remember the game between Yace and Shredder in Paderborn 2003 when Yace >beated Shredder due to a combined preparation: Dieter (program tuning) + Pesce >(book). I did not talk about books for specific events but about the commercial book (I guess that it is the book that is used in WBEC) > >I dont see any relation about running the engines without books or with the Nunn >Positions and the matter of the book. ???? > >What are you trying to prove here? I am trying to check if the books of the commercial are really better than the books of amateurs. The question is if it is possible to prove that part of the reason that the commercial programs are better than the amateur is a better book. > >>Looking at the results of Deep Sjeng or Gandalf at WBEC I am not convinced about >>it. >> >>Based on results they seem to be not better than programs like Aristarch or >>Ruffian. > >Do you know that the Chess Partner Book of Sjeng is different from the Native >Sjeng Book? The Chess Partner Book of Sjeng is created by Jeroen Noomen but I am >not sure about the Sjeng Native Book. > >I am not sure what you are talking about here. ??? I was talking about WBEC when Deep sjeng is playing as a winboard program. I assumed that Deep Sjeng is using the best book because it is the interest of GCP to get good results. I do not know which book it was using. > >> >>I am sure that the books that are used in world championship are different but >>it seems that at least the book of the commercial product is not superior(I can >>add the fact that Kurt who tested Ruffian against the commercial programs when >>both sides use the same book found relatively better result for Ruffian when >>every program used its book) > >Put a random book with a chess program and face it against a Kure Book. I can >assure and prove you that your asumption is false again. > >Arturo Ochoa. I did not talk about a random book but about a book that is not built based on work of months. I think that the book of Ruffian is a good example. I know that Kurt posted the information that Ruffian does better with its book and not when both programs use the same book. Uri
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