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Subject: Re: Christian Kongsted's book

Author: Christian Kongsted.

Date: 11:07:24 08/20/03

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Hi Jeroen,
Thank you very much.

Your large experience with this makes an impression, so I will definitely take a
note of your point of view and continue to investigate the subject further.

Thanks for letting me know your thoughts about these issues.

Best wishes,
Christian

PS to Sandro Necchi:
I certainly believe the opening book is important. I was mainly commenting on
the general quality of them




On August 20, 2003 at 13:39:35, Jeroen Noomen wrote:

>On August 20, 2003 at 09:21:07, Christian Kongsted. wrote:
>
>Hi Christian,
>
>Thanks for your quick answer!
>
>Let me first emphasis that I like your book a lot and that it
>is a good contribution to the present state of chess. Indeed,
>you'll find no chessbook on the subjects you have described,
>so you deserve credit to be the first one to write a serious
>book on it!
>
>Especially I like your recommendations how to use a computer
>for analysis, as I am doing exactly the same thing as you describe
>in your book. The combination good player + strong chess program
>can get very good analysis results. But the player should dictate
>things, not the program.
>
>Of course I know that putting a book together always will lead
>to space problems, as a result of which some topics will get
>less room than others. Still, I think you can only reach valid
>conclusions about the opening books when you:
>
>a) thoroughly investigate them (quite some job with those huge books),
>b) know how they were made.
>
>When I read your opinion about this, I can only tell you from my
>own 14 year experience 'this is not how it is done'. And I think
>you underestimate the strength of the best books. A De Gorter, Kure
>or Necchi book can present strong players with nasty surprises.
>
>Anyway, people tend to disagree and I have absolutely no problem
>with that! Nor do I feel offended, or something like that.
>
>Best wishes, Jeroen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>Thanks for your interesting comments on the book 'How to Use Computers to
>>Improve Your Chess"
>>
>>First of all, I am sorry that you felt that too little space was dedicated to
>>the subject of opening books. I can only say that when you have 192 pages and
>>want to cover several aspects of computer chess, you need to give some issues
>>more priority than others.
>>
>>In general, my point of view is that computer opening books is an area of
>>computer chess where there is room for improvement. I don't mean to criticize or
>>provoke anyone here or devalue some of the good work which is being done by
>>creators of the opening books. It is just a statement - a point of view.
>>
>>But let me answer point by point:
>>
>>1. Note that I am speaking about computer programs in general, not only about
>>the absolute top. I am aware that years have been invested in the opening books
>>of the absolute top programs (e.g. I know Dan Wulff personally, and I believe he
>>has done a great job with the Gandalf book, which has taken many years to
>>develop)
>>
>>2. In my book (on p. 82) I include a well-known example from the Blitz world
>>champions between Fritz and Nimzo, in which both computers are following a game
>>from the database, which was entered erroneously in the original source (TWIC).
>>If you tell me that you are not working like this Jeroen, I naturally believe
>>it, but apparently other people are.
>>
>>3. "The opening book operators are not necessarily strong players and thus might
>>be having trouble identifying which lines are viable and which are not."
>>
>>Although there are some good exceptions, I believe this statement to be true.
>>
>>4. "Generally, strong players do not have to fear the opening book of the
>>computer."
>>
>>I also stand by that statement, although it may of course seem slightly
>>provoking to some people. My general point of view is that a 2600-grandmaster
>>can make much better preparations than a weaker player and he knows much more
>>about the current trends and evaluations of opening theory. If he plays his
>>normal lines against the program, he should not fear the opening book (note
>>however, that he may still have good reasons to fear or at least respect the
>>engine!) I agree that a single-game preparation with a sharp off-beat variation
>>is a very strong weapon for the opening book operator, and I am sure that this
>>can be used to a good effect.
>>
>>Thanks for your point of view and for your recommendation, even though you do
>>not agree with me in all the points mentioned above.
>>
>>Christian Kongsted



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