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Subject: Re: Christian Kongsted's book

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 12:35:54 08/20/03

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On August 20, 2003 at 14:07:24, Christian Kongsted. wrote:

>Hi Jeroen,
>Thank you very much.
>
>Your large experience with this makes an impression, so I will definitely take a
>note of your point of view and continue to investigate the subject further.
>
>Thanks for letting me know your thoughts about these issues.
>
>Best wishes,
>Christian
>
>PS to Sandro Necchi:
>I certainly believe the opening book is important. I was mainly commenting on
>the general quality of them
>
Hi,

I understand your point.

What I mean is that I would expect more room to this important part of the
program and some explanations about the difference between "normal" chess
programs and top ones.

A better book can be important to help the owners to improve better starting
from the opening phase...

Anywat congratulations for your book and huge work!

Ciao
Sandro
>
>
>On August 20, 2003 at 13:39:35, Jeroen Noomen wrote:
>
>>On August 20, 2003 at 09:21:07, Christian Kongsted. wrote:
>>
>>Hi Christian,
>>
>>Thanks for your quick answer!
>>
>>Let me first emphasis that I like your book a lot and that it
>>is a good contribution to the present state of chess. Indeed,
>>you'll find no chessbook on the subjects you have described,
>>so you deserve credit to be the first one to write a serious
>>book on it!
>>
>>Especially I like your recommendations how to use a computer
>>for analysis, as I am doing exactly the same thing as you describe
>>in your book. The combination good player + strong chess program
>>can get very good analysis results. But the player should dictate
>>things, not the program.
>>
>>Of course I know that putting a book together always will lead
>>to space problems, as a result of which some topics will get
>>less room than others. Still, I think you can only reach valid
>>conclusions about the opening books when you:
>>
>>a) thoroughly investigate them (quite some job with those huge books),
>>b) know how they were made.
>>
>>When I read your opinion about this, I can only tell you from my
>>own 14 year experience 'this is not how it is done'. And I think
>>you underestimate the strength of the best books. A De Gorter, Kure
>>or Necchi book can present strong players with nasty surprises.
>>
>>Anyway, people tend to disagree and I have absolutely no problem
>>with that! Nor do I feel offended, or something like that.
>>
>>Best wishes, Jeroen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for your interesting comments on the book 'How to Use Computers to
>>>Improve Your Chess"
>>>
>>>First of all, I am sorry that you felt that too little space was dedicated to
>>>the subject of opening books. I can only say that when you have 192 pages and
>>>want to cover several aspects of computer chess, you need to give some issues
>>>more priority than others.
>>>
>>>In general, my point of view is that computer opening books is an area of
>>>computer chess where there is room for improvement. I don't mean to criticize or
>>>provoke anyone here or devalue some of the good work which is being done by
>>>creators of the opening books. It is just a statement - a point of view.
>>>
>>>But let me answer point by point:
>>>
>>>1. Note that I am speaking about computer programs in general, not only about
>>>the absolute top. I am aware that years have been invested in the opening books
>>>of the absolute top programs (e.g. I know Dan Wulff personally, and I believe he
>>>has done a great job with the Gandalf book, which has taken many years to
>>>develop)
>>>
>>>2. In my book (on p. 82) I include a well-known example from the Blitz world
>>>champions between Fritz and Nimzo, in which both computers are following a game
>>>from the database, which was entered erroneously in the original source (TWIC).
>>>If you tell me that you are not working like this Jeroen, I naturally believe
>>>it, but apparently other people are.
>>>
>>>3. "The opening book operators are not necessarily strong players and thus might
>>>be having trouble identifying which lines are viable and which are not."
>>>
>>>Although there are some good exceptions, I believe this statement to be true.
>>>
>>>4. "Generally, strong players do not have to fear the opening book of the
>>>computer."
>>>
>>>I also stand by that statement, although it may of course seem slightly
>>>provoking to some people. My general point of view is that a 2600-grandmaster
>>>can make much better preparations than a weaker player and he knows much more
>>>about the current trends and evaluations of opening theory. If he plays his
>>>normal lines against the program, he should not fear the opening book (note
>>>however, that he may still have good reasons to fear or at least respect the
>>>engine!) I agree that a single-game preparation with a sharp off-beat variation
>>>is a very strong weapon for the opening book operator, and I am sure that this
>>>can be used to a good effect.
>>>
>>>Thanks for your point of view and for your recommendation, even though you do
>>>not agree with me in all the points mentioned above.
>>>
>>>Christian Kongsted



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